I just acquired a K6-2 450 system with a motherboard for 75 bucks.
 
What would this be comparable to in the intel lineup?
 
(I'm not overly familiar with the intel vs. AMD of 2 years ago)

AMD K6-2's and alike are under celeron performance.

I had a K6-2 450, and it was about comparable to a Pentium 200. Those K6-2s jaded me against AMD for a long time to come.
 
-bZj

dammit.
So did I screw up?

i wouldn't say comparable to a P200. i would say that it's prolly about equal to a Celery 300 or 366. u didn't really get totally screwed, but i prolly would have gone with something a little newer..
 
ledzeppel- no. actually what that means is that, with the same hardware and a clock for clock CPU a Athlon will render 33% faster than a P3...
 
440BX and a P3 may beat a Athlon at the same clock by about a frame or 2. but any other P3 board doesnt. and not at the same price either. the Athlon always ends up being the better deal. a T-bird 800 is like 160 bucks. for 160 bucks you could get a P3 550 or 600. you can't possibly think that the P3-600 outperforms an Athlon 800?

Nope, your wrong again...wanna know why? Athlon-Geforce have to many incompatibility issues to call it a reliable system. So that means Athlon-Voodoo 5 vs PIII - Geforce.
 
Actually that 600 PIII will whip all over that 800 Athlon/T-Bird whatever. Wanna know how? That PIII 600 can run at 133 Bus! It is easily an 800EB in disguise (if not more)...can't overclock an Athlon like that, so in conclusion the PIII is the better buy once again. Plus every piece of hardware is compatible with it.

Anyone who uses an AMD, Celeron or Cyrix (cough) CPU will always make all the excuses in the world as to why their CPU is better than the real thing, the PIII CuMine.
 
Does anyone ever ask for a Jack Daniels & Pepsi?
 
Greggy
Dual PIII 700 @ 933, MSI 694D (4in1 ver 4.25), 256Mb PC133, 32Mb GeForce2 GTS (Det 6.31), Barracuda 20Gb IDE on ATA-100, Win 2000 SP1 etc -= with no probs at all =-

Anyone who willingly and intentionally buys a cyrix should be shot.
 
I think AMD and intel users alike can agree on that one?
 
No excuses here. PIII CuMine. K6-2 for my portable PC(mobo and cpu cheaper than a Cel2 566)

lol. go here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001017/index.html
 
look at the "Facts and lies" section. maybe then you will realize that the Athlons have no such compatibility issues.
 
have you ever actually ran an Athlon with a Geforce? or any other competant individual you know? my friend has a Geforce II MX on a Asus A7V(VIA KT133 chipset) with Athlon 800, and it runs just fine. also take a look at their test system for that review. you see that Geforce? i dont think they would have used a Geforce if it was "incompatible". i have a TNT2 and will probably upgrade to a Geforce 2, when they get a little cheaper.
 
ROFL, one more thing. the Athlon CPU is not multiplier locked. a few lines with a Graphite pencil will unlock the Socket-A cpus. you know what this means? BETTER overclocking. not worse.
 
here's another article, this time Socket-A overclocking:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q3/000711/
 
ok, u buy that 600 and OC it to 800. then i overclock my 800 to 900 or maybe even 950 or maybeee 1000? so then which is the better deal?
 
Greggy- i don't even think Cyrix is around anymore. if AMD was anything like Cyrix, they probably would have met a similar demise.
 
i supose you may be right Greggy, but Intel users will always make excuses about why they continue to buy the overpriced Pentiums, and how there can never be a superior x86 processor than "The Real Thing"

All you Intel cronies keep buying your chips...keep paying more for them and keep complaining that systems....that you dont own or have never built run slower and more unstable than yours. I will say this again My T-bird will blow your POS INTEL off the FU#KING planet...and I didnt have to sell my house or my SOUL to get one. You are all commies...thats why INTEL chips are made by 12 year old TAWAINESE kids...in sweat shop factories.... just so you can pay prime dollars to get that INTEL INSIDE LOGO
 
 
Keep buying into INTEL..while the truly intelligent people look at the facts and make an unbiased purchasing decision
 
www.yourmom.com
 
 
FEWLS

hehe... that's funny. u better get ur fire-proof suit on and prepare for that flaming...

Quote:Originally posted by tristan777:
Greggy- i don't even think Cyrix is around anymore. if AMD was anything like Cyrix, they probably would have met a similar demise.
Cyrix is still around, they've just been... researching, yeah that's it. Trying to find out why they sucked. VIA owns them now, so they have some momentum. They are actually about to drop a chip in the 500-600MHz, based on their new 'Joshua' core. Although, from the preliminary data, it looks like it will have sub-Celeron performance. But hey, poor peeps need computers too... I mean I had to save up a whole summer just so I could get the real deal, a PIII 500E. Figured I'd slip in my vote. although, I wouldn't trust any Intel chip above 850MHz, cuz they've been rushing, which sacrifices quality. if I needed a computer that fast, I would probably go with a T-bird. But I'de still keep my PIII around for doing real work, and not just gaming.

-bZj

I've built an AMD system...with a GeForce.
 
IT GAVE ME TOO MANY PROBLEMS TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THE COMPUTER.
 
With that board(K7V), I could NOT run NTFS, because I would get ntfs.sys errors.
 
My computer would crash after every game(if it made it into it) with an ntoskrnl.exe error.
 
So, Sapiens, I do know what I'm talking about. And I am competent in PC creation. I've built and rebuilt several systems...so I'm not just spewing random comments of disdain to AMD, as I've got experience with it.
 
 
Oh..and if you buy the 800, and it overclocks to 900 or 1000?...so what? I've got one..and it's at 954. No higher, no lower. HAd I bought and 800e instead of eb, I'd be over a gigahertz right now...but I didn't. And that extra 46mhz doesn't mean anything to me. I've posted at 1g. in 9x, it ran. in 2k, it won't.
 
 
As a Pentium III owner(2x), and am AMD owner(2x), my PIII systems have been less troublesome. I'm not sure about this new AMD system...but since I'm going for older parts..(except for that geforce2 mx), I should be ok.
 
PIII = expensive and fast
K7 =less expensive and fast
 
Cyrix = portable toaster and radiation leak.
 
Let's end the fight, ane enjoy our computers, and fight not for processor types, but x86 agains the Risc or whatever Mac has

err... did u flash the bios, and get the newest agp drivers and other drivers? i find it strange to say the least that you have all these problems, but me nor my friends, nor any recent review i have read do...
 
x86 is RISC's *****. i'm sorry. look at consoles(with the exception of the X-Box) then look at pcs.
 
and Mac sucks. and so does it's resource hungry OS.

I dunno about Risc. It's the only other consumer processor I know of
 
and yeah, played with all the bioses, drivers, etc. I download the newest available thing immediately

Wait a second...we all are missing something.
 
Megahertz for megahertz(price excluded), the AMD fails miserably...
 
not because of the Celeron
not because of the PIII Coppermine.
 
There's a nice little Chip out there called a Xeon running with a 2MB L2 Cache..that I garauntee will not only Stomp an athlon, but kick it while it's down.
 
 

 
But that's not a fair comparison, as an 866mhz L2 Cache PIII is 2000 dollars
 
 
Oh..but think of the fun hooking 8 of them up in SMP
 
There's something intel wins on.
So AMD releases a chipset for 2.
Intel has them for 8, maybe even 16.
 

 
ok
thats good for me

Quote:Originally posted by FrogMaster:
Oh yeah, and mine is longer and thicker and faster.
Childish intel/amd religion war. Reminds me of the Apple/Ibm war.
You are too dumb to understand that it is only a question of having fun, just the pleasure to get the max from the hardware you have at hand at a given time.
Ridiculous.

I think this says it all...

-bZj

OK. I couldn't resist any longer. I have both AMD and Intel systems here in my home. Folks there is no question that AMD is making a superior product. The problems come in when looking for a chipset to run it on! VIA SUCKS!!! (but Intel is holding a close second) I ran the athlon/VIA combo under windows2000 with more headaches than it was worth.(fwiw: reboots, bluescreens, application errors) The stability came on the VIA chipset when the 4.23 drivers were released but it was too late, it was apparent to me that AMD/VIA were an afterthought for MicroSoft on this OS and that VIA themselves saw windows2000 as an afterthought as well. Moved to Intel/Intel combo, CC820 motherboard/ PIII 733. Whoa!! wait a minute! I thought the stability was going to be better on this platform. We all know by now about the MCH issue was causing spontanious brownouts and reboots under 2000. Well shoot! I should have stuck with the AMD/VIA combo it was just starting to get stable. Finally the word came the the CC820 was majorly screwed up. Exchanged the CC820 for a VC820 with PC800 RDRAM and I have to say this is a platform I can live with!! When the time came to get a windows98 machine for my wife we went for an HP running the ATHLON 800 / VIA combo on ME. Oh my GOD, this thing is as stable as my Windows2000 AMD/VIA combo was at first!! OK this time I'm not gonna jump the gun, I'll wait for VIA to get their drivers straightened out and then move on....

Hey, people!
I've been on the road throughout Europe during last week for a big project I'm leading - I mean a really huge project.
It seems that in the meantime my little celery has put fire to this thread
I would like to thank all of you who approved my playing with this little puppy and did understand that this was only for fun. Squeezing extra MHz at no cost and have W2K running happily on top is real fun.
The other ones and especially one of them are ignorant lame a$$es.
The very truth is that within a professionnal framework, you simply won't consider anything else than Intel for mission-critical applications - given you're in an 80x86 environment.
Believe me. I know what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about setting up a home network and counting fps in Q3A or UT. I'm talking about a 50,000 direct users, 140,000+ potential users worldwide project.
When I'm at home, I play with celeries.
When I'm at work, I don't play. I want to bring value to my users, which means round the clock 365/365 top-notch service and reliability.
Real professionnals out there will understand what I mean.
Real fun at home and at work, that's what is important but they are two worlds apart. Do not play with the same toys.

Hehe,
 
What a lovely ending.
 
But I still state that the C64 was better than the speccy.
 
Although I did love Atic Atac ;-)
 
Yak
 
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