Does linux suck or what?
too complicated to use! driving me nutts1 I'm a computer science for god's sake and even I can't figure out! just imagine your typical college student trying to figure it out. Like give him an NIC and tell him all you need to do is re-compie your kernel.
too complicated to use! driving me nutts1 I'm a computer science for god's sake and even I can't figure out! just imagine your typical college student trying to figure it out. Like give him an NIC and tell him "all you need to do is re-compie your kernel". come again? even I can't do that!
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shassouneh referring to your PM......
You are using the integrated NIC/Sound on the motherboard correct? and you are not using any other PCI NIC/Sound cards? If so then Mandrake sounds like it found the correct hardware. I am unsure how that hardware performs under Linux but in my friends system the sound was crackly in Windows 2000 and would eat up ALOT of processor performance. Also the onboard NIC would eat up massive ammounts of processor usage making LAN gaming terrible.
If Mandrake 8.1 does not support that sound card then you may be out of luck. Mandrake is a highly updated Linux Distro that includes many of the latest drivers. You may be able to find the drivers for the NIC/Sound on the net but I doubt it since the NIC/Sound are integrated into the motherboard they aren't as easy to find as PCI drivers.
Common sound cards such as Netgear PCI Nics and Sound Blaster Live! sound cards have been long supported under Linux. But as you can tell by my comments above integrated sound/NIC products get very little support....if any under Linux due to the low popularity of integrated products in the Linux market. Those sorts of integrated products are used mainly by the Windows crowd or by those buying a new computer and not knowing what's inside of them (like my friend ).
Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
As for the sound card see if you can force the sound to be used. There may be another sound card listed that's close enough to your model that sound may work for you.
Vmware is not free and must be bought. You can download the latest versions of Windows/Linux from the Vmware website. You will need to contact Vmware to get a License to use Vmware however.
As for Wine....I haven't really gotten into that emulator as of yet. I'm still waiting for it to bake a bit more before I can put some time into it. Gaming in Linux still hasn't reached the level of Windows yet and since I am so busy it's far from as simple as double-clicking setup and playing your game! Just follow the instructions and you'll get it working. You've already chosen the easiest Linux Distro to work with so your mostly there already!
You are using the integrated NIC/Sound on the motherboard correct? and you are not using any other PCI NIC/Sound cards? If so then Mandrake sounds like it found the correct hardware. I am unsure how that hardware performs under Linux but in my friends system the sound was crackly in Windows 2000 and would eat up ALOT of processor performance. Also the onboard NIC would eat up massive ammounts of processor usage making LAN gaming terrible.
If Mandrake 8.1 does not support that sound card then you may be out of luck. Mandrake is a highly updated Linux Distro that includes many of the latest drivers. You may be able to find the drivers for the NIC/Sound on the net but I doubt it since the NIC/Sound are integrated into the motherboard they aren't as easy to find as PCI drivers.
Common sound cards such as Netgear PCI Nics and Sound Blaster Live! sound cards have been long supported under Linux. But as you can tell by my comments above integrated sound/NIC products get very little support....if any under Linux due to the low popularity of integrated products in the Linux market. Those sorts of integrated products are used mainly by the Windows crowd or by those buying a new computer and not knowing what's inside of them (like my friend ).
Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
As for the sound card see if you can force the sound to be used. There may be another sound card listed that's close enough to your model that sound may work for you.
Vmware is not free and must be bought. You can download the latest versions of Windows/Linux from the Vmware website. You will need to contact Vmware to get a License to use Vmware however.
As for Wine....I haven't really gotten into that emulator as of yet. I'm still waiting for it to bake a bit more before I can put some time into it. Gaming in Linux still hasn't reached the level of Windows yet and since I am so busy it's far from as simple as double-clicking setup and playing your game! Just follow the instructions and you'll get it working. You've already chosen the easiest Linux Distro to work with so your mostly there already!
*nix has only one direction to go. Up. Microsoft has finally merged it's home/work versions of Windows into the same codebase. Making gaming on home versions and work versions the same. This makes it far simpler for Linux to gain a foothold than the way it was before. Emulation is progression far more rapidly than it has before. (Look at the latest versions of Connectix VPC or Vmware) and I read recently that 3DMark 2001 has been run under Linux in the 5000 3DMarks category. That's a major accomplishment for compatibility for Directx games in Linux right there. Look at the latest version of Windows XP. Now think what else could Microsoft possibily do for us in a home OS besides more Torture? Now look at Linux.
Think about it. It's gonna be great in the coming years.
Think about it. It's gonna be great in the coming years.
Thanx DosFreak. Referring to your previous reply:
Quote:Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
I have been told by a Linux instructor tht it MAY be a problem with the dhcpcd client that comes with redhat-based distros like Mandrake, so I should try DHClient. I already tried forcing the statis IP trick and that did not work **shrugg**. As for netowrk gaming it doesn't seem to affect much
anyways...
the NIC seems to load up just fine but not grab an IP. I'm still open to suggestions there. The sound card SEEMS to be either a clone of or a descendant of the AC97 sound card(s) so I'll try those, even though i HIGY doubt it'll work! wish me luck!
Quote:Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
I have been told by a Linux instructor tht it MAY be a problem with the dhcpcd client that comes with redhat-based distros like Mandrake, so I should try DHClient. I already tried forcing the statis IP trick and that did not work **shrugg**. As for netowrk gaming it doesn't seem to affect much
anyways...
the NIC seems to load up just fine but not grab an IP. I'm still open to suggestions there. The sound card SEEMS to be either a clone of or a descendant of the AC97 sound card(s) so I'll try those, even though i HIGY doubt it'll work! wish me luck!
Originally posted by shassouneh:
Quote:Thanx DosFreak. Referring to your previous reply:
Quote:Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
I have been told by a Linux instructor tht it MAY be a problem with the dhcpcd client that comes with redhat-based distros like Mandrake, so I should try DHClient. I already tried forcing the statis IP trick and that did not work **shrugg**. As for netowrk gaming it doesn't seem to affect much
anyways...
the NIC seems to load up just fine but not grab an IP. I'm still open to suggestions there. The sound card SEEMS to be either a clone of or a descendant of the AC97 sound card(s) so I'll try those, even though i HIGY doubt it'll work! wish me luck!
What's motherboard are you using? Are you using a router? If so, in you /etc/resolve.conf is the IP address (local like 192.168.0.1) for your router listed?
In you /etc/conf.d/net (location may be different on you distro), do you have somthing like
Code:
If that's all good and you can't set a a static IP and bring up the network that way, it sounds like you don't have the correct drivers for the card. I could be wrong though; I'm no expert.
Are you tied to whatever distro that you have? If not, it might be worth it to download some live cds and see if any of them detect your network. If they do, you could just install that distro. I seem to remember the Suse live cd being good. Gentoo is the way to go if you want to learn about linux and how to configure it. Gentoo is also insanely fast compared to mandrake and suse. If you have wierd hardware though I wouldn't go with ti.
If you are having problems with sound, Mandrake use to include a utility called sndconfig or soundcfg or somthing like that that would help.
Quote:Thanx DosFreak. Referring to your previous reply:
Quote:Try giving the NIC a static IP address and see if you can get it networked that way. That way you can determine if it's a DHCP problem or some other problem such as your NIC drivers.
I have been told by a Linux instructor tht it MAY be a problem with the dhcpcd client that comes with redhat-based distros like Mandrake, so I should try DHClient. I already tried forcing the statis IP trick and that did not work **shrugg**. As for netowrk gaming it doesn't seem to affect much
anyways...
the NIC seems to load up just fine but not grab an IP. I'm still open to suggestions there. The sound card SEEMS to be either a clone of or a descendant of the AC97 sound card(s) so I'll try those, even though i HIGY doubt it'll work! wish me luck!
What's motherboard are you using? Are you using a router? If so, in you /etc/resolve.conf is the IP address (local like 192.168.0.1) for your router listed?
In you /etc/conf.d/net (location may be different on you distro), do you have somthing like
Code:
iface_eth0="dhcp"thats not comented out?
If that's all good and you can't set a a static IP and bring up the network that way, it sounds like you don't have the correct drivers for the card. I could be wrong though; I'm no expert.
Are you tied to whatever distro that you have? If not, it might be worth it to download some live cds and see if any of them detect your network. If they do, you could just install that distro. I seem to remember the Suse live cd being good. Gentoo is the way to go if you want to learn about linux and how to configure it. Gentoo is also insanely fast compared to mandrake and suse. If you have wierd hardware though I wouldn't go with ti.
If you are having problems with sound, Mandrake use to include a utility called sndconfig or soundcfg or somthing like that that would help.
...sorry didn't realize I resurrected a dead thread. Not sure how I got to it...
Personally, I have fully migrated my PC at home to Fedora Core 2, from Windows XP.
I have chosen to find native applications which are similar to Windows programs that I frequently used, rather than try to emulate using Wine/Winex/Cedega, etc.
If you're determined, and don't mind learning (or giving up some games) then I would absolutely recommend this.
If you do, remember to keep an open mind, because you basically need to re-learn using your computer. Also remember this; Just because Microsoft does things one way does not make it the right/best way.
I have chosen to find native applications which are similar to Windows programs that I frequently used, rather than try to emulate using Wine/Winex/Cedega, etc.
If you're determined, and don't mind learning (or giving up some games) then I would absolutely recommend this.
If you do, remember to keep an open mind, because you basically need to re-learn using your computer. Also remember this; Just because Microsoft does things one way does not make it the right/best way.
I've tried Linux, and while it may be great for some people, it's not what I would consider a desktop OS. It's not the OS or the distributions so much as, like Eddie stated, the support or lackthereof. Most people use Windows for a desktop OS, and I'm pretty sure it's over 95%. Gee, who's gonna get the support first: Windows which almost all of the user base uses, or the small handful that use a certain OS. Let's think here.
Sure, Windows does have it's problems. OTOH, just because it's Unix, Linux, or *BSD doesn't mean you're going to have a better computer. If you don't set up the Linux box correctly, it can still be left wide open. The coding is imperfect just like Windows. The reason Windows exploits or other vulnerabilities get mentioned first is becuase more people are using it and more people will be affected.
Linux does not suck, however. It may very well not be the fit for you. Saying Linux sucks because it doesn't work for you is like saying all country music sucks because you don't like that type of music. Linux has it's place
Sure, Windows does have it's problems. OTOH, just because it's Unix, Linux, or *BSD doesn't mean you're going to have a better computer. If you don't set up the Linux box correctly, it can still be left wide open. The coding is imperfect just like Windows. The reason Windows exploits or other vulnerabilities get mentioned first is becuase more people are using it and more people will be affected.
Linux does not suck, however. It may very well not be the fit for you. Saying Linux sucks because it doesn't work for you is like saying all country music sucks because you don't like that type of music. Linux has it's place
"The Linux kernel is reported susceptible to multiple remote vulnerabilities in the SMBFS network file system. These vulnerabilities may lead to the execution of attacker-supplied machine code, information disclosure of kernel memory, or kernel crashes, denying service to legitimate users. Versions of the kernel in both the 2.4, and the 2.6 series are reported susceptible to various issues http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/11695/info http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/22/2351238
