you call 3dfx a company? fisrt they f*cked themselves by screwing over their OEM's, then they screwed over their loyal customers (like i was) when they took forever to release a card that was a year too late, i sat around with a Voodoo 3 2000 and waited for a new card to come out that would kick an NVidia card's a.ss .... did that happen? NO! The poor ba.stards ran out of money and had to sell their <sarcasm>company</sarcasm>.

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All you people saying this is a good move, obviously don't own a 3dfx card so you are speaking out of your ***.

If you want to kill off any potential customers from buying your product, then this is the perfect way to do it. Do they actually believe any current 3dfx owner is going to EVER buy an NVidia product now? Highly unlikely.

They will just switch to NVidias competition, whoever it might be, even if the card is slower.

I totally see now why Microsoft kicked NVidia out of their DirectX9 meetings.

Let me open the hood off my doorstop pc... hmm what do I got here.. looky looky it's a Voodoo Rush... from Intense... who was made by Intergraph.. darn.. and I thought it was a trident all this time..

Seriously, what you say about 3DFX owners jumping to the competition even if it's slower is pathetic. I mean come on.. It's not a frigging religion it's just a video card.. get a grip man. As a former Voodoo owner I wanted to have the best card in the market. I realized that when 3DFX made their Voodoo 3 line still 16bit.. Morons.. Yeah so what if games were not ready yet.. I didn't want to wait till games were 32bit compatible to then buy a new card, that is when I dumped 3DFX and went NVIDIA..

I own as well a Radeon 64MB DDR. This card is powerfull but it doesn't run most games well. It's good if you are into Photoshop and some video stuff. I don't change my GeForce card for anything.

I don't think that NVDIA will be out of DirectX 9, any closer than hell won't freeze over. NVDIA powers the X-Box, and I am sure X-BOX will be able to run on upgrades of Direct X, so we will see them ther esoon enough... NVDIA is the new power in 3D Graphics performance and that is why microsoft chose them.

The reason NVDIA is out the DX9 Preview?? Publicity stunt... :>

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I totally see now why Microsoft kicked NVidia out of their DirectX9 meetings.

Because they didn't sign the NDA...

I forgot to say that..

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I'd also like to add that NVidia purchased 3dfx. Therefore any REPUTABLE company would support the customers they just aquired. Its common business sense.

Obviously NVIDIA is one crappy company. I hope Microsoft never lets them back in on DirectX9 development... then their current customers of their nvidia cards will ***** why their cards don't work right with DirectX9.

You are so much full of it.

NVDIA POWERS he X-BOX. You think Microsoft is going to argue with whom is making the X-Box what it is? Jeez.. you sure know nothing of corporate relationships. This is not the end of the company who brought (because ATI lives in their own Mac Planet), 3DFX to their knees... NVDIA will support DX9 in their cards. You can bet anything on that.

it could be the alcohol talking, but it really looks to me like this thread got really stupid really quick...
 
let's move along or get back on topic please...
 
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I have a Voodoo 5 5500 and playing games on Windows Xp is so crappy!!! When ever your playing a game in DX mode, cause glide and all the other opengl stuff doesnt work, all kinds of blue screens and shutdowns come up. It sux, they better fix the problem by rc2 at least. Thanx for screwing me over Nvidia. And Im not getting rid of my V5, just cause they are trying to force me to.

Join the dark side of the force luke.. It will make you stronger than wheaties will...

Look. I also liked DOS. I loved it.. Then windows 3.1 came.. I liked it a little bit more.. Then came Winbloat 95 and it's never stopping brothers, 98, 98se, Me (as in Merde). the only os's I love are Windows 2000 and Linux.

Nvdia didn't buy 3DFX to immortalize it. It bought it to put it out of it's misery and to grab whatever cool tech was involved in Rampage to add it to the GF3.

ASUS made it clear that they would include cheatcodes on their drivers for games like Q3A, Halflife, Counter-Strike, Etc. It took them 7 days to retract that statement and post fixes.

Technology is like that.. I think if 3DFX make a lot of noise NVIDIA might wise up and give you poor souls an extra mile on your product with Windows XP or they could just keep on...

Quote:Originally posted by SHS
rapina you have have good point about mandrake but linux has very poor hadrware support not count the min other hardware deivce out there, I can even get it to mandrake8 been I have all usb mskeyboard, msmouse, intelwebcam then there my msjoystick & mswheel, my keyboard will not work even with bios set to usb keyboard from OS to bios the funny thing is BeOS works.

Linux is a cool os. It has evolutioned a lot since I remember when I first downloaded at 14.4k 144 1.44 floppies of Slackware. But it still lacks ease. Even for a seasoned computer player/hacker it is tedious to have to dwell in command lind explicits, where even whatever gfx environment you pick to have from KDE, GNOME, E! or whatever else there is...

For example, this is one of my linux Rigs:

Dual Pentium III 1.0Ghz
1Gb Ram
Soundblaster live Value
Cheapo 52x CDROM
Radeon 64Mb DDR VIVO
Keyboard, Mouse, headphones
15 Inch Monitor
1 Gbit NIC

Nautilus in the frigging GNOME engine runs like a turtle!!! it really sucks... but I use this rig to hold 4 Counter-Strike Servers for LANParty Tournaments, I have another one that holds 4 Q3A Servers, but is a Windows 2000 Server.

Quote:That only hand full game at lokigames about the other millin games forget wine maybe win a 5ghz CPU roll out but not in tell then hehe.

Loki Games is doing a great job, and I sincerely hope many more games comes out for Linux, but still it is not a preferred platform except for serving. I have played games in Wine, with one of the duals and it runs really fast Woooo like I can count frames on Starcraft.. come on be real people.. what you need is memory and 512Mb's can be bought at bzboyz.com for or less if you look around.

Quote:Well DrLove you may have a good point there but I hate tell you this but Geforce2MX is cripple as well it an't funny I may well buy a ATI Radeon non cripple hardware at half the cost.

As an ashamed owner of a Radeon 64MB DDR, I can tell you that it sucks. Maybe if ATI would stop thinking crap, they would get head-on drivers that made the ***** card work properly. GIANTS, freezesover, Tribes-2 freezes.. It's a pain. Though for Work it rules. I just yanked the Radeon to one of my Linux servers and put in my PC a GeForce 256 3D PRophet. The Nvidia Card rocks and plays all these games without a problem. I have been curious about the new chipset the Kyro II but I have not read much about it. Instead of going the ATI way I would sincerely get a Geforce 256 or a Geforce 2 GTS which play your games real cool without problems. I leave ATI to Mac.. they seem to get along.

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it could be the alcohol talking, but it really looks to me like this thread got really stupid really quick...

let's move along or get back on topic please...

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Must be the alcohol. It usually makes everything stupid. Including you without noticing 8) No offense intended nor pun.

My cranberry juice must be getting to me...

Bill Gates is the richest man on the planet because he is a business man first, techie second.
 
Intel learned when they named the Pentium after having thier chips called 8086 and stuff like that.
 
Linux will be a good OS when the guru's that make the stuff realize that the mass market needs it to be simple.
 
I honestly don't believe they want it that way. Just like Mac users don't won't everyone to have a MAc, it would take away the fun of being unique.
 
I am an IMO, domain admin, and computer spe[censored]t, and I have trouble with Linux. Make my life a little more simple and I'll use it, so will many others.

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I am an IMO, domain admin, and computer spe[censored]t, and I have trouble with Linux. Make my life a little more simple and I'll use it, so will many others.
Linux is plenty simple enough (for being a server). It's just not very good for desktop usage.

1.- DONT USE WINE WITH HALF LIFE!!!
ask valve for a port, if u want to play it or boot into winblows
as a general rule, dont use wine for games at all!
online games...
2.- impossible to be faster win2k in anyway... NO WAY!
unless your GNU/linux setting are screw up somehow, u can make it crawl...
support from companies will only comes with "costumers", if they saw more people using linux, they will release more stuff for it, hardware drivers, software... hey Lucas Arts ILM is switching their winblows boxes to linux!
I saw it at zdnet...
 
3.- upgrade to mandrake 8.0

and dont forget to compile the kernel t suit your needs
and excuse my poor english

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2761566,00.html
 
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I am an IMO, domain admin, and computer spe[censored]t, and I have trouble with Linux. Make my life a little more simple and
I'll use it, so will many others.
 
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Linux is plenty simple enough (for being a server). It's just not very good for desktop usage.
 
 
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and I am a guitar player!!!! i hardly know how to use this bbs!
I hardly know to speak and write your language!
BUT
I have found out that reading the howtos, mans, asking at IRC, is the
only way to make GNU/Linux fly! and learn lot of english hehe
otherwise is lacking and boring stuff , even unstable! if u dont keep
up to date stuf like KDE (I use BlackBox without gnome or kde taskbar
most of the time, os it starts in less than a sec.)

So I'm supposed to lock myself into that same sort of upgrade and pay cycle you said Microsoft was bad for?
 
... NO THANKS
 
In any case, since I use Debian, all I need do is stick the "unstable" tree into my /etc/apt/sources.list, type apt-get update, then type apt-get dist-upgrade ... voila, instant upgrade.
 
Plus, since Linux is supposed to be "free", companies don't actually make any money writing and releasing Linux software under GPL or BSD, and a variety of other licenses, since anybody can go out there and get it for free. (Let's not even get into the fact that if you ever paid taxes, a not insignificant portion of that money probably went into UNIX, Linux and/or BSD development of some kind)
 
While "free" software being free is good for you, temporarily, it can't possibly last.
 
Red Hat recently became the first "free software" company to actually turn a profit. That isn't from selling software or CDs, by the way, but by providing support for that software-for a price. And a rather hefty one, at that.
 
Red Hat aside, there are many "free software" companies out there that are floudering. Witness the recent demise of Eazel. And VA Linux cutting its hardware production side (which also is its profitable side -- so wtf, heh). The rest of them are subsidized by other, bigger companies, which in turn makes their money off of consumers-- again, people like you and me.
 
And as for documentation ... lets see you find a HOWTO for devfsd, or an up-to-date framebuffer console document. Both issues I had to overcome purely through help from people on IRC when I was recompiling my kernel (which I got the final size down to about 700K, by the way, and trimmed the external modules for down to an absolute minimum). This sort of external help costs nothing, and you can obtain basically the same kind of support from any windows-using community.

OK, I see the topic has wandered a bit. No problem.
 
As far as nVidia buying out 3DFX and not wanting to release source code (or what not). Since they don't plan on selling Voodoo5 cards (or any other Voodoo card for that matter) it would be stupid to release source code that they would have to be responsible for and support. That would not make them any money, and therefore not a good business decision.
 
As far as owning/not owning 3DFX cards and how that makes you an expert on the topic. I had a pair of 12MB V2s that I ran in SLI (diff manufacturers, mind you, and I had to get tweaked drivers so they would run together because 3DFX wouldn't allow for it in their releases) and I still feel that they were morons when it came to business sense. They bought STB, the company that arguably made the WORST cards in the business no matter what chip it ran on. Not to mention they could never seem to get their act together and release drivers for their own cards in a timely manner. They sold their souls to try and please their shareholders. You want to blame someone for not having support for your old card? Blame 3DFX.
 
As for Linux being a great gaming/server/network platform. It's a very efficient OS, one that I wish I knew more about. But I do know some things about it. It's a great server OS, but is not ready (at all) for the enterprise as a server OS or as a desktop OS. It's quite nice as an appliance server (firewall, DNS, etc) and for simple file sharing, but I wouldn't hinge much in the way of database usage on it. Now, part of that is due to my lack of knowledge in tweaking it, but I feel that many IT personnel are in the same boat as I am in that regard. As a desktop OS, it's poor. And that's not the fault of Linux, but rather application development for the OS. There isn't much out there, and of what is out there is just isn't as good as what's available for Windows. Period. Gaming is kind of a problem too, since almost everything released goes to Windows first, then gets considered for Apple/Linux as a port. If you like waiting, then Linux may be for you. In addition, Linux gets this great reputation for being SO fast and stable, because the people that use it KNOW a great deal about the OS and how to set it up optimally. If people knew as much about Windows as these same people did about Linux, you would not be hearing so many complaints about crashing/performance issues with Windows. Just wait until Linux becomes more and more mainstream, and you will see more "problems" with the OS, just like Windows. At that same time, hacking Linux will become more prevalent.
 
Have a nice day.
 

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1.- DONT USE WINE WITH HALF LIFE!!!
ask valve for a port, if u want to play it or boot into winblows
as a general rule, dont use wine for games at all!
online games...

Or don't use Wine at all.. geez.. what is the point of using linux then? Star office is pretty competent when being an Office Clone. Everything else you need to run in linux, it's there.

Quote:2.- impossible to be faster win2k in anyway... NO WAY!
unless your GNU/linux setting are screw up somehow, u can make it crawl...

Excuse me. Nautilus is a Hog. You know who says so? The same people who brought you Ximian Gnome 1.4. And even though I know they are working to make it faster it really hogs down my systems which I think are pretty high end. Graphically speaking Linux still has a long way to go. I am not saying based on their opengl or gaming capabilities. I run maya a software package for doing computer animation and it runs fastest in my Windows 2000 Box, than in the linux box. Linux for me is the best webserver and the best render server. What is faster than the Windows 2000 box? My Octane2.

Quote:support from companies will only comes with "costumers", if they saw more people using linux, they will release more stuff for it, hardware drivers, software... hey Lucas Arts ILM is switching their winblows boxes to linux! I saw it at zdnet...

Blah. Maya as I said before is a world class Computer Animation Package. Probably what they are doing is upgrading their windows renderer boxes to linux, which is the logical step. In linux the Maya Renderer which is the software they use to render scenes runs real fast because it is more or less a server soft. and in linux serv. software runs -fast-. Other than that I doubt they are upgrading their Octanes and O2's that run irix to go into linux. The other window boxes they use are for Photoshop and re-touching which is fine. Maya for linux has still a long way to go because linux still doesn't support important stuff like basic ATA 100 for example, and this makes some software run slow. But I know in time they will make it better.

3.- upgrade to mandrake 8.0 and dont forget to compile the kernel t suit your needs and excuse my poor english

I did and you know what? All the beautiful eye candy and ease of install don't cut it. It lasted a week before I took it down and went for Red Hat 7.1 which is the OS finally sitting in my Linux-Box. I run several servers on my boxes and they didn't compile really well. I know.. Linux is linux. But the distributions are so many. I wish that Linux had two versions.. not 7... It's like you have redhat distro, mandrake, suse, debian... Jeez.. It's complicated enough with one distro. It's a nightmare.. With windows it's becoming a nightmare.. windows 98, se, me.. argh.. For that alone I can't wait till XP goes out so that the dreaded 9x ends up dead like it's great grandparent Win 3.1.

Jeez I just woke up.. I need coffee..

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I agree, don't use wine...
I thought that was my point...
Nautilus? what's that? use this instead...
create a file called .xinitrc in your home dir...
write this
 
xset +dpms
exec blackbox
 
thats what I meant in the first place!
blackbox is faster and i dont have ximian installed at all? just the
libs to run gnome apps (some)
and good bye whatever app u where babbling!
 
gnome sux, KDE 2.1.1 and up is waaaay lot better, but not fast...
 
now Mr DrLove is talking about a workstation or something, I'm talking
about games, xchat, e-mail and 3dfx- nvidia stuff... GAMES
as a desktop... simple average joey stuff
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companies don't actually make any money writing and releasing Linux
software under GPL
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well loki isn't gpl, and they do make money... not much i guess.
so?
the profit most come from apps, not the kernel...
 
I'm not a pro FREE GRATIS ALL!!! WOW!! but ...
if BeOS were better I am a BeOS Zealot , if Win98 were better thing,
or mac os, or u name it... I'm its Zealot... why not promote something
that is well, done, almost bug free and.. well nice! heck.. plain and
simple!
 
and there is ATA 100 support in the kernel, just compile and ur
done... (2.4.5 and up)
one last note: framebuffer + nvidia in linux = crash. get rid of it
and use the latest drivers from nvidia
 
WinXP most die
is not a solution but the problem it self
un ethical people shouldn't get rich that easy, and give us that type of
junk...
please open ur mind...
only WE can make it grow...
 
heck those howtos man pages and all those doc's IRC etc etc... are up
to date in English
and from my point of view, gamers that doesn't like Linux are gamers
that doesn't like to read at all...
 
at this point I think that all of us agree that M$ is extremely
superior to the whole Linux apps community... we can make that change...
for games.... not Maya stuff, not some esoteric corporate stuff but
games, at least for that...
come on... make a 3 gig partition for Linux!
have seen?
 
www.neverwinternights.com
www.bioware.com
 
read the faq
u will find a nice surprise!
 
 
(Nautilus... bleh....)

Who said I was using rivafb? I use vesafb for all my fb console needs... and if I were ever to break down and use the ugly kludge they call the NVidia linux drivers, vesafb at least doesn't have any problems.
 
I know my stuff, and knowing my stuff I stay the fsck away from X.

About this Linux vs Windows debate, I was just reading all the posts, especially the ones on Linux. I've been using a computer for about 10 years and after reading the posts I feel like an idiot about Linux. I mean Linux is about 5 years behind on becoming a consumer os. You think a typical family would know how to compile something out of the box? You think they would know how to recompile the kernel to their liking? No, they'll be looking for an exe to run.
 
The only reason I would run Linux is to either run a server for a game, or to become truly "techy" and brag about me running Linux. The Linux community needs to get some better inspiration. Yea it might be a good/stable os but for 90% of the consumer market it's a pos that nobody in their right mind would run unless you have 6 - 12 months to master it.

WindowsXP RC1 has Voodoo3,4,5 drivers
just use the windows update icon!

ok ok ok ...
I give up...
I hate to death rethoric
my first statement was quite simple:
if u are a 3dfx user, a true gamer that enjoy tweaking your PC... u should install Linux, and step by step lernig how to improve it more and more, something kinda similar (very slightly) to the things u do in windows, but without the limitations it has...
trouble is that there isn't as much games as it should be... been as fast and stable as it is right now... the reason, is in my previous post...
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see? isn't rethoric annoying?
 
hehe, dude... that why I'm talking about mandrake not Slackware or
whatever
and a typical family wont feel the need for speed as gamer
 
Kermy, I'm using Linux since February... and I was thinking EXACTLY the same way... the same words and everything, is just a matter of give it a shot. don't let people to wash ur brain, everybody speak their personal experience, far from been the average. and this is no brainier:
download
burn the iso
read the readme's
www.linuxnewbie.org
install it.
THEN make ur statement
and I want to see you buy it WinXP once you have mandrake in a 3 or 4
gig partition in your hard dirve!! hehe
 
mandrake 8.0 can be used for an experienced user in MS-DOS win95, any
"family" that has a PC and not really use it much... can easy screw up
a DOS install. hehhe and that happen quite often
 
remmember the 3dfx vs nvidia flame wars?
this is different, you can Install for free Linux and compare in your
own gaming rig! but it was difficult to buy both products a rivaTNT
and a Voodoo2 sli, and I remember that there was a lot of BS all over
the place, all over, and you guys still trust people that trash
something instead of trying for your self? come on!
I use win98, I haven't seen the BSOD since a long time ago, and is
rare, but check how it behaves KDE 2.1.1 or Blackbox for your self!
 
a hint, if sombody tell u that Nautilos or Nautiless or what ever is
slow, that just BS! Nautilos is just a app! not GNU/Linux it self!
is something to avoid! personaly i dont use gnome related stuff, never
liked, pure KDE loving here
 
WindowsXP RC1 has Voodoo3,4,5 drivers
just use the windows update icon!
 
but in linux are UPDATED!
but in linux are UPDATED!