I just some bad news about 3dfx and WindowsXP
Well boys & girls it look like WindowsXP RC1 will not be getting any Voodoo3,4,5 drivers they have been pull from WindowsXP build 2499. My guest would be nVidia woudln't give MS the source code for the 3dfx cards, Man is nVidia is evil they just want to trash anything that 3dfx related.
Well boys & girls it look like WindowsXP RC1 will not be getting any Voodoo3,4,5 drivers they have been pull from WindowsXP build 2499.
My guest would be nVidia woudln't give MS the source code for the 3dfx cards, Man is nVidia is evil they just want to trash anything that 3dfx related.
You may well forget about run any Glide or OpenGL games some DX game do work just fine with Windows2000 1.04 drv but the one build in to 2495 XP work just fine with very few bugs.
Be sure pass this a round.
My guest would be nVidia woudln't give MS the source code for the 3dfx cards, Man is nVidia is evil they just want to trash anything that 3dfx related.
You may well forget about run any Glide or OpenGL games some DX game do work just fine with Windows2000 1.04 drv but the one build in to 2495 XP work just fine with very few bugs.
Be sure pass this a round.
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thats why we should be using less M$ junk, and start using Linux, so it will rock as a desktop OS(it does but... oh, well), besides, Linux is inferior to freeBSD as a server crap, if u really knew about servers, u should be using freeBSD not Linux...
(hint hint)
and not feeding that little p*** called Bill Gates..
hum...
as I desktop, just look at the cons (pros are huge to mention)
1.- not enough recording suites for guitar player like me, the ones that exist are too limited-ed
2.- winamp is better than xmms or freeamp
3.- lack of games (sigh)
4.- Netscape.. well, you know it,
6.- hardwere manufacturer support, if they knew we are using it...
and if you aren't a PC gamer, or a lazy PC gamer, you may add a bunch more.
(hint hint)
and not feeding that little p*** called Bill Gates..
hum...
as I desktop, just look at the cons (pros are huge to mention)
1.- not enough recording suites for guitar player like me, the ones that exist are too limited-ed
2.- winamp is better than xmms or freeamp
3.- lack of games (sigh)
4.- Netscape.. well, you know it,
6.- hardwere manufacturer support, if they knew we are using it...
and if you aren't a PC gamer, or a lazy PC gamer, you may add a bunch more.
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thats why we should be using less M$ junk, and start using Linux, so it will rock as a desktop OS(it does but... oh, well), besides, Linux is inferior to freeBSD as a server crap, if u really knew about servers, u should be using freeBSD not Linux...
Or, just run Solaris 8 since it's free as well. Most people looking for free stuff find Linux to be fine. As a desktop OS for the enterprise, it doesn't cut it yet. Admins don't have the time to retrain every user just to use the OS, let alone the applications that would perform differently on it. I use NT and Win2K, and I don't have any reason to look at Linux/Solaris/FreeBSD/etc. for a long time to come in my company.
thats why we should be using less M$ junk, and start using Linux, so it will rock as a desktop OS(it does but... oh, well), besides, Linux is inferior to freeBSD as a server crap, if u really knew about servers, u should be using freeBSD not Linux...
Or, just run Solaris 8 since it's free as well. Most people looking for free stuff find Linux to be fine. As a desktop OS for the enterprise, it doesn't cut it yet. Admins don't have the time to retrain every user just to use the OS, let alone the applications that would perform differently on it. I use NT and Win2K, and I don't have any reason to look at Linux/Solaris/FreeBSD/etc. for a long time to come in my company.
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hehe clutch how wrong u r
voodoos are supported by XP after all
go and check live update
oh u r an nvidiot u can't see them.
How wrong I am? About what? That XP doesn't support the Voodoo series cards? I never stated that it didn't, only that nVidia shouldn't waste their time on a card that doesn't make them any money. So, why don't you tell me what EXACTLY I am wrong about.
hehe clutch how wrong u r
voodoos are supported by XP after all
go and check live update
oh u r an nvidiot u can't see them.
How wrong I am? About what? That XP doesn't support the Voodoo series cards? I never stated that it didn't, only that nVidia shouldn't waste their time on a card that doesn't make them any money. So, why don't you tell me what EXACTLY I am wrong about.
no doubt, just use or agree with whatever you believe, no reason to argue about it to get others to join you in the war.
Right on with clutch. What is he wrong about exactly? I like 3dfx, and it does suck that they really don't exist any longer, but does that mean someone is wrong for stating the harsh reality.
I do think it would be great for nVidia to at least support the voodoo's through XP at least, as those who have a V4/5 are gonna get screwed over fast if they go to XP, as Maxtor still provides support for Quantum hard drives, even though they bought them out.
Of course, since 3dfx is dead, I'll go with nVidia, because they have great drivers, unlike ATI--who can't write drivers to save there sorry @ss, much less there cards.
I would like to see the Kyro 3 come out and give nVidia a run for it's money, because I don't want graphzilla owning any market. Look at what competition has done in the CPU arena and tell me were not all better off than before.
I don't like the fact that 3dfx cards are being dropped from XP, but there's nothing, other than plead or grovel to Nvidia to make drivers, that can be done about it.
Life sucks sometimes, get used to it.
I do think it would be great for nVidia to at least support the voodoo's through XP at least, as those who have a V4/5 are gonna get screwed over fast if they go to XP, as Maxtor still provides support for Quantum hard drives, even though they bought them out.
Of course, since 3dfx is dead, I'll go with nVidia, because they have great drivers, unlike ATI--who can't write drivers to save there sorry @ss, much less there cards.
I would like to see the Kyro 3 come out and give nVidia a run for it's money, because I don't want graphzilla owning any market. Look at what competition has done in the CPU arena and tell me were not all better off than before.
I don't like the fact that 3dfx cards are being dropped from XP, but there's nothing, other than plead or grovel to Nvidia to make drivers, that can be done about it.
Life sucks sometimes, get used to it.
The Kyro is a good idea, it's just that tile-based rendering doesn't lend itself too well to games that were not designed for it. Matrox had this cool little add-on card that would run next to your video card (Mystique? I can't remember it's been so long ) and was based on the same technology developed by NEC as the Kyro. Evidentally, it ran GLQuake really well, and was generally a good little card. Pretty cheap too, around $99 US for it and would work with just about anything. ATI's Radeon runs with a similar quasi-tile rendering scheme to speed up processing that I hope they stick with a polish up some more. I was really hoping Matrox would come out the gate screaming with another gaming card, but that has never really been their bag anyway.
Yeah, I heard Matrox stepping away from gaming indefinitely, but do plan to return in the future.
I just hope that there is some good competition for Nvidia, and if ATI could put out drivers that would make their cards shine, that would be excellent. Too bad they're killing the Radeon with their drivers.
The Kyro 3 is supposed to add hardware T&L to the Kyro II as the main thing. That could be a major improvement, even if it can't stomp the GF3, adding that, and being cheaper, should help it gain some ground.
From what I've seen, the Kyro-based cards are the best bet against the GF's, unless ATI learns how to write drivers to maximize their chips/cards.
I just hope that there is some good competition for Nvidia, and if ATI could put out drivers that would make their cards shine, that would be excellent. Too bad they're killing the Radeon with their drivers.
The Kyro 3 is supposed to add hardware T&L to the Kyro II as the main thing. That could be a major improvement, even if it can't stomp the GF3, adding that, and being cheaper, should help it gain some ground.
From what I've seen, the Kyro-based cards are the best bet against the GF's, unless ATI learns how to write drivers to maximize their chips/cards.
i've used Linux....quite alot infact, but it lacks 3rd party support, its too painstaking to teach people to use it, u have to f*uck with it alot depending on the machine, need i continue? I like Linux, but as a a weekend hobby, if you have the time to f*uck with your computer ALL OF THE TIME, then yea, you should use linux.......right after you get off your a.ss and get a job, i like the fact that with WinXP, i can install, crack, and use it. rather than, f*uck with, f*uck with, and f*uck with some more. get the picture?
I understand what you are saying, and it sounds a lot like the "chicken and the egg" (which came first?). Well, in general companies can't and won't wait for software houses to create applications to take the place of Windows-based apps just so they can "support" them later on. The applications have to come out and be viable BEFORE many companies will look at them. It may seem like a catch-22, and to some extent it is. However, when you have a platform that's as dynamic as Linux with so many vendors putting out a great many versions of the OS, it's hard for software companies to treat it with the respect it may deserve and actually develop enterprise apps for it.
Many people like to badger MS for being a monopoly, but they did do one great thing for PCs: standardization. They put out an OS, it made it's way to just about every desktop-class PC out there, and now everybody develops for it because they want to make money. I think once Linux development starts to setttle down a bit and become more stable (distros become more alike, development releases become more regular) popularity of the OS will grow even more. And therefore, more choices for software to run on it.
Many people like to badger MS for being a monopoly, but they did do one great thing for PCs: standardization. They put out an OS, it made it's way to just about every desktop-class PC out there, and now everybody develops for it because they want to make money. I think once Linux development starts to setttle down a bit and become more stable (distros become more alike, development releases become more regular) popularity of the OS will grow even more. And therefore, more choices for software to run on it.
Just a matter of preference.
Techies will always prefer something thats out of the mainstream. Whereas IT professionsal want stuff thats easy to deploy and simple for end users to learn.
I want the latter of course. Everyday I have to fix problems mostly caused by users lack of knowledge. Linux would be a freaking nightmare. Again I'll say this:
When techies start thinking like businessmen, Linux will take off. If they continue to develope as is, they will turn most of us off. Maybe for good
Techies will always prefer something thats out of the mainstream. Whereas IT professionsal want stuff thats easy to deploy and simple for end users to learn.
I want the latter of course. Everyday I have to fix problems mostly caused by users lack of knowledge. Linux would be a freaking nightmare. Again I'll say this:
When techies start thinking like businessmen, Linux will take off. If they continue to develope as is, they will turn most of us off. Maybe for good
bussines apps
Office apps...
every day use home PC...
AAAAAAAAHHH!!!
all i can do is scream!!!!
im just asking more games for it!!!
my gaming rig isn't in the Office!!!!
IS NOT ABOUT replace Microsoft products per-se, RIGHT NOW!
I have not even mention stuff like Star Office or stuff flike that!
just games.. and for the rest of office apps.win 98SE makes a great job, who cares winXP?
is not the topic about 3dfx??? ... please dont mix apples and oranges...
using linux instead of windows in a Office ... I mean for data adquisistion or for a secretary is a no no!
and there is no standar stuff
but a godmmit monopoly....
like it or not
Office apps...
every day use home PC...
AAAAAAAAHHH!!!
all i can do is scream!!!!
im just asking more games for it!!!
my gaming rig isn't in the Office!!!!
IS NOT ABOUT replace Microsoft products per-se, RIGHT NOW!
I have not even mention stuff like Star Office or stuff flike that!
just games.. and for the rest of office apps.win 98SE makes a great job, who cares winXP?
is not the topic about 3dfx??? ... please dont mix apples and oranges...
using linux instead of windows in a Office ... I mean for data adquisistion or for a secretary is a no no!
and there is no standar stuff
but a godmmit monopoly....
like it or not
