there are a lot of reasons i switched to XP over 2k. One of those is the boottime, the other is terminal services, skinning is nice too, also the new improvments they have made in making it easier for people to up/downgrade drivers easier. System restore is a nice feature for amateurs who like to fool around to learn and end up f-ing their system. Also integrated CD-burning and more multimedia funtionality helped move me to XP. Ive used a lot of MS operating systems but I have never found a better OS than XP, to me the jump from 2k to XP was like the jump from DOS to 9x. When all the cards are down MS is making a good step in thee right direction in aiming an OS promoting the three things home users and business users alike want. Stability, Speed, and Multimedia funtionality which includes support for the newest USB devices and the latest hardware architecture. If you read some of the White papers on XP then you will see there is A LOT more to it than what is on the surface of the OS. This OS will be M$'s sink or swim OS.

I agree with TheC 129. MS has to really get this one right, after all ME wasnt the greatest OS theyve put out.
They're gonna have to make people really, really, really want to upgrade. The 9x line needs the stability jump more than anything, so that is definately a motivator on that end, but I think its going to be a little harder to convince the business world as easily. Windows costs big bucks, and not all businesses may upgrade just because, especially in the case of Win2K, it works like they like it to. Plus lets not forget time and guys that are paid to test the OS out for problems. Although I dont know why any huge business would run on Win9x, when you can run Win2k or even Linux.
MS is gonna crash and burn if XP doenst fly.
Sure there are a lot of features to motivate an upgrade, but I dont think everyone wants these features. I personally didnt like Media Player 7, the sound was horrible. I wasnt to fond of Movie Maker being installed. As for System Restore, good idea, but Im pretty sure that alot of people are a greedy miser when it comes to hard drive space. I sure am, and I wont use it if its just to big. I know you can limit the space it takes up, but still, if you have 40GB of stuff, thats a whole lot to restore.
XP seems to be aimed solely at newbies, not power users like alot of people here. I like to do a lot of stuff by myself, I CD-ROM autoplay, I dont like anything executing without me doing it.
Hopefully, this 9x/NT mix will be spectacular, but proceed with caution...and remember ME.

your right, but what made ME so crappy? uhh, it became very unstable with DOS taken out (I think they forgot to patch it up after cutting the hole) and NT has had emulated DOS, very stable.
 
Me is based off of 9x, 9x ain't very stable compared to NT
 
So, why worry about Me? something that has happened in a 9x environment? nothing in NT has gone wrong as far as an OS is concerned, they've all been great
 
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I don't get this WinMe is unstable part. Its not unstable here. Maybe I'm doing something wrong

no, but par for par, NT is more stable, without a shadow of a doubt.

STability comes when you push the OS..
 
For instance write complex programs ...EVERYBody has memory leaks ..
processes that dont die ..
 
Games that leak memory
 
Thats the thing about stability ..on 9x those sorts of things may or will mean a reboot.
 
But on win2k it just keeps on going.

my point exactly

I'm gonna get flamed to all hell for this but Its time to cause a car accident..
 
"XP seems to be aimed solely at newbies, not power users like alot of people here."
 
XP-lets make our users so dumb that they cant use any other OS besides an M$ product. sure it runs like 2k because it really kinda is just a different skin and "user friendly features" and whoo hoo a faster boot if you really wanted a fast boot load a linux distro.
 
power users-(n) someone who wont take the f&8#@ng time to read the manual. so instead they screw everything up and call their sysadmins for help and waste our time instead.
 
"I don't get this WinMe is unstable part. Its not unstable here. Maybe I'm doing something wrong"
 
do something other then run Word in it it will crash. I can make it crash just a few short seconds after boot. Any KRNL386 OS is only good for about 30 hours of hard use before a reboot is needed. This is due to the fact that Windoze ME doesn't want to release it's memory heaps. from this you get paging errors. I think bug_666 made the best points yet. BTW waffles are good and the brown dog is a nice touch.
 
other then that I say flame on.
 
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I like the spelll checker BTW too bad no one notices that button huh?
 
 
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LOL!!!!!!
 
man, that's funny, go suck a cock. I am not a newbie, the other 100 + people that use it that I know of are not newbies, and it isn't AIMED at anyone in specific. It's AIMED at whoever the hell wants to use it.
 
 
you sound like a newbie just saying what you did, what a loser, get your facts straight. If anything, it's more of a power OS than any other OS released to date, just because it has "cool" features means dick all about anything else. Let's see, it's faster, more reliable, runs apps and games better, and is more stable than win2k will ever be. That's not just my opinion, i've heard about 100 + people tell me that on ICQ, e-mail, forums, etc.
 
One word: LAMER!
 
 
 
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what? are you on crack? obviously you haven't used winxp either, to put down xp is to put down 2k AND NT4, MS put in skins because consumers wanted them, have you even seen/used some of the features of winxp? like the driver rollback, system restore? I guess windows 2000 sucks as well then because MS threw some win9x features into NT4 and called it win2k.

exactly.
 
let's see, based on win2k is XP?? nope, XP is based off of the NT 5.0 kernel they made FOR win2k. They cut down boot time dramatically, adding in full gaming support (it'll be full gaming support at RTM), added features that are beyond win2k, which allow us to easily fix problems (without formating the drives like most people do, LOL!), and more, I won't even list the 500 + or so advantages that XP has over win2k, or any other previous OS for that matter.
 
and the programs that don't work, well, it's the creator's fault, because they added in support for 5.0, and not 5.xx, which they should have done to begin with.
 
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Quote:<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EddiE314:
what? are you on crack? obviously you haven't used winxp either, to put down xp is to put down 2k AND NT4, MS put in skins because consumers wanted them, have you even seen/used some of the features of winxp? like the driver rollback, system restore? I guess windows 2000 sucks as well then because MS threw some win9x features into NT4 and called it win2k.</font>

i don't know anyone who would want skins in the OS-the ppl who do either use alternate shells or apps like Window Blinds. I never really felt the urge to make my win2k look like a christmas tree. As for throwing in win9x features, MS did make the interface similar to 98/ME and they actually got it almost right since gaming support is better than NT4. They actually made win2k with stability of NT and ease of use of win9x. I agree that there are many promising features but almost all of the ones pronounced as killer ones are already implemented using 3rd party software since some guys figured it out sooner than MS. (if you check cdwriter properties tab, you will see that they borrowed it from Roxio or something). Same goes for remote assistance. There is already a niche of products that do just that. Any cases more serious than a 'HELP, I'M TOO STUPID TO CLICK 'HELP' IN THE START MENU' would probably require on-site or phone help. Like a user screwing up their drivers or services to the point where the system won't even start.
jdulmage, feel free to list the ones you like the most, it's been a long time since i have done a good line-by-liner.

first of all i never liked that Christmas skin in WindowBlinds either. Second of all, everything in this day and age is "BORROWED", name a company or person who HASN'T borrowed an idea, or line of code, or UI. Let's face it, people like to have their computer customized, and the beginners that Buy XP Personal are going to be happy with their system knowing that it won't crash, pretty much fixes itself, and the fact that they can customize it. I know my girlfriend loves to customize the way Windows looks, she has her own pretty little account on my machine (running 2428). Everyone loves customization, look at what people do with their cars, houses and everything else, why not be able to customize the computer too? I've said it before, if you don't like the luna skin, i'll be happy to post some screen shots of XP 2428 with the windows classic setting. All i can say is, use WinXP for a week, you'll learn to love it.

some ppl do, some ppl don't, some don't care. i do some customization but it usually doesn't go beyond changing the background or a little color correction here and there. Maybe i'm just lazy. By borrowed, i meant licensed. As for ideas, you can't copyright an idea. it's just that MS shoulda done it sooner. Yes, i'm happy with a system that doesn't need rebooting every 30 hours. Win2k doesn't crash too often either. 'fixes itself' is a stretch though. No thanks, i used xp for a while myself so i don't need any screenies.

the only thing i'd like to see is that the personal verson come with a skin like luna by default with the option of going back to Windows Classic, with the Professional and Server Family editions, i'd like to see just the opposite, Windows Classic by Default, but with all of the theme support as Personal. Only the future will tell. Even if it doesn't happen that way, i don't care.

ok I wasnt going to but I will lets see jdulmage-- I'm a lamer, ok one who is bragging about XP. also I hope you were telling your boy brian frank that he should go suck a dick becaue if you read what I wrote it was a quote from him and hes one of your "senior members" oh 31337 windoze user.
 
"let's see, based on win2k is XP?? nope, XP is based off of the NT 5.0 kernel they made FOR win2k." <----see when I put quotes around something that means I'm quoting people.
 
I'm sorry WTF does this mean are you saying that XP isn't based off 2k then in the next sentence you say it's based off the NT 5.0 kernal which is 2k. Yes XP has its advantages for the idiot who never wants to know how anyhthing works. Yeah your right I take it all back I can see how something that works well for the end user(who knows nothing) would also in turn be great at handling authentication requests, running DB's, handling remote clients, etc. You know all the same stuff you do while you play quake3. Hang on, nope I still think you are a moron. When you get a clue come talk to me.
 
ONE WORD: JACKASS!!!
 
 
eddie- Yeah it must be crack if I dont buy into the propaganda.
 
_SimiaN_
 
 
 
 
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some of you are praisehailing it more than it deserves, after all it's just another OS. it's a new tool, not a new child or something.

Amen Bug_666!!!
 
perhaps the most intelligent thing said in this thread thus far.

well, we all know XP blows Windows 2000 away, people are just trying not to accept it.
 
Eddie314, what's the point in talking to these peons any longer? lol, I'm done with this post, man, my point exactly about cease fire, I tired and I guess people are still unprofessional about things, so I had to say what I did.
 
I mean, what life do you have to post a topic like this? I see one like every week about XP (clueless lamers). So I am just gonna laugh at every post I see, and I'll continue using the OS that stomps win2k.
 
 
 
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wait a minute ,what am I thinking, of all of the people that posted here.
 
5 were talking professionally (or trying to) and the rest sound like newbies and/or lamers if you will that came from some other site cuz they were told that this place was good.
 
felix, thc 129, eddie314, deadcats and myself
 
the rest of you don't even know facts from friction, and professional attitudes from stupidity.
 
I'll leave it at that, talk away, lol, no one with a professional status will reply to you unless it's to tell ya all off for your dumbnuts comments.
 
so DeadCats is right ,there is no reason to go any further than this, it's poor when these lamers are looking for attention so badly, ya lamer.
 
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