But an athlon 1800xp will destroy a p4 1800 in games With both at stock speed. Authough factor in stability and thats why i have my current system, but you gotta say that amd processors are much better.
 
Whenever you see em in comparason they just make the p4 look so poor, what we really need is amd chips with intel chipsets wonder if that will ever happen ;(

never know.
 
amd needs intels heat technology tho

Quote:
But an athlon 1800xp will destroy a p4 1800 in games With both at stock speed. Authough factor in stability and thats why i have my current system, but you gotta say that amd processors are much better.

Whenever you see em in comparason they just make the p4 look so poor, what we really need is amd chips with intel chipsets wonder if that will ever happen ;(

Are you stating that "stability not withstanding, the AMD system is much better"? That's kind of a hard pill to swallow . I would like to see an AMD CPU on and Intel chipset though, but I think we all have a pretty good feeling that will never happen.

AMD cpu on Intel chipset, now that would be like asking for a new color in the rainbow

I didnt say that the system was better. Just that if there was a 100% guaranteed stable amd system i would have 1 instead of my p4. I dont see how thats a hard pill to swallow, its only my opinion, ive had both, i know what to expect and the pros/cons of each.
 
Im not disapointed in my p4 system btw, best system i have ever owned. Also, authough price really isnt an issue for me, i think you will find that an amd system is alot cheaper than an intel 1 with both systems having the same kind of performance.

Ahh, your first statement wasn't clear to me as I didn't know what you were using (sounded like an Athlon), and that you meant "my Athlon is the best CPU out there, if you discount any stability issues". And yes, that would definately be a hard pill to swallow. I am also in the same boat where I would get an AMD system if I KNEW that it would be a rock-solid performer (as in not camping out at various websites looking for new BIOS and driver updates to make it work with something I already had) right out of the box.

lets say for argument the p4 is about 50-100 bucks more then an AMD system. Is that 10-20 percent cost not worth the no-hassle of an INtel based system?
 
Then again if cost is the main factor, why do most run Nvidia and not ATI.
 
same reason, quality

AMD chips used to go on Intel chipset boards. Remeber socket 7 anyone.

Yes, we do. However, do you see anything about Athlons running on Intel chipsets? Nope. That is what we were addressing, but you knew that already, right?

yes I knew that, just wanted to throw in the fact that AMD chips ran on Intel motherboards for a while there.

And of course you don't see AMD chips on INtel boards anymore, That would be like UPS delivering all the USPS's mail. People were buying AMD chips cheaper and putting them on Intel boards, Intel didn't like that.

All I will say is that I get tired of my friends calling me about whats wrong with there AMD Raid super cool system all the time!!
 
I have built computers with ALL the chipsets out there yes even pcchips or whatever they are and the ones that ALWAYS seem to work with the least worrys have been Intel.
 
 
I'm not saying that a SIS or VIA can't be just as good but these other chipsets just always seem to need a little added extra attention to get just right.
 
 
I'm happy as a SOB with my new P4 1.6@ 1.920 and it would go higher but I went with a RDram MB. I like the memory bandwidth. Just got my Gainward Golden Sample 4400 and 95xx in 3DMark2001SE is pretty dang good I think.
 
 
Oh just for shits and giggles I fired up my original install of Quake. Yes Quake 1 the original and it seems the timedemo just can't go any faster that 457 fps Run time 2.1 seconds talk about a blur!!
 
Current system
 
Asus P4T-E
Northwood P4 1.6 @ 120x16=1920(stock HoF)Just got a Volcano 7+
512 meg Samsung RDram
using all 4 USB ports
Mouse,Joystick,Platronics Headset,and Belkin UBS
Linksys 10/100 connected to a Netgeat RT311 on DSL
Gainward Gold Sample 4400
G90fb 19" and a noname 17" monitor
SBLive
80 gig Mator
40 gig IBM
Toshiba 6x DVD
Liteon 24x burner
Antec SX-1030B SOHO file server chassis, with 300 Watt ATX SmartPower.
XP Pro
 
Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth.
 
I Admin a 160 users 4 locations Wan/Lan.

Well if ask me after building my frist AMD with Abit KT7E with a 1400MHz CPU am not happy with it so far, It giving me hell with my WinTV-PVR and few other thing but for most part it dose good job with lot other things but if you where ask me I think no the AMD CPU more like some chipset name lee VIA that the major problem not have full x86 compatible like it should.
Need lee to say I be getting Intel P4 now one thing I will not do ise give up my WinTV-PVR I love recording TV show with this card in Realtime Hardware MPEG2 Encoding which very hard to do in RealTime Soft Encoding at 704or720x480(NTSC) MPEG2 8MBit/sec VBR.

It actually says in the Wintv manual not to use a non Intel chipset..
 
 
Good words to live by

I know sapiens74 but I had try any way so I can get be better idea on helping other when they ask questions why this why that, After talk to same other it seem that ATI also has the same video tearing problem.
You know it real funny that ALi and SiS seem to be more compatible then VIA.
I have any old AMD K6-2 500MHz 3DNow with GigaByte GA-5AX ver 3.0 motherboard with ALi chipset that somebody give me a few months back it work just fine with a WinTV card.

Yup, TV cards always seem to have bits in the manual saying something like "this card has problems with via chipsets...etc".
 
Tis a shame really because its at the stage where i wont build amd systems for anyone any more because they are such a pain to support if they run into problems and its really not worth the time any more. Ill just get them to spend a bit more and have no problems later

I think that AMD makes a great chip and is well worth the money but, AMD still has a few compatability issues and they run extremely hot. If your heat sink fan stops you have a real problem on your hands and will probably have to by a new processor. With Intels new technology It will protect your processor much better.
 
The Via chipset is grave digger for any processor in my opinion and I always look for a more mainstream chipset for my motherboards. I have had a couple of different chipsets and I find that Intels are easier to install and are supported by most OS's better. The chances of having to install other drivers are less with Intel than any other and are very stable for the most part.
 
Pentium 4 1.8
MSI Pro 5 6545 motherboard, on-board sound disabled.
256mb 800mhz rambus
40gb WD 7200rpm HDD
GeForce 2 ultra 64mb ddr
3com 905c nic
Soundblaster live!
12x10x32 Imation CDRW
Toshiba 16x DVD player
Win XP Pro

It's funny how some people can put a machine together and it runs great and other can get it to work at all. Whether it be Intel or AMD on ANY chipset I rarely have any problem that takes more than 5 minutes to solve. No one seems to blame 2 huge factors in your systems stability and performance, the user and the OS. Windows is not perfect or will ever be, same with the user. Windows requires more patches and drivers to run stable than ANY piece of hardware out there. I never once heard of VIA or AMD chips crashing LinuX or Unix. Good old WIntel, MS is not in bed with AMD, so why optimize an OS for them.

Quote:
It's funny how some people can put a machine together and it runs great and other can get it to work at all. Whether it be Intel or AMD on ANY chipset I rarely have any problem that takes more than 5 minutes to solve. No one seems to blame 2 huge factors in your systems stability and performance, the user and the OS. Windows is not perfect or will ever be, same with the user.LOL, yeah - it's surprising how many problems turn out to really be PEBCAK issues, or 1D10T errors.

Note: I've been guilty of this a few times myself, & probably will again.

Idiot users are the cause of a lot of it. But VIA chipsets suck. Thats why Highly paid Pro's usually stick with INtel and not a cheap ripoff.