Just saw Episode 2
Just saw it, and Yoda kicks ***. 'Nuff said. .
Just saw it, and Yoda kicks ***. 'Nuff said.
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I see a lot of people who don't like Anakin in episode 2. They mostly say that they dislike his whininess and can't see how he can become Darth Vader. I think you have to know somebody like that to understand.
For example, my brother-in-law is a whining rebellious little punk. He'll b1tch about things being unfair, he is short-sighted, very rebellious, and very quick tempered. But he also has a heart of gold and will do anything for loved ones, until he gets pissed off. He has been in the U.S. Army for several years, and wants to join the police force when he is done with that. Anakin totally reminds me of this guy, the way he has good intentions, but if you say one thing he doesn't like, he'll get angry and kill all the sandpeople, and then cry about it. His ideas are not usually taken seriously, and most people around him are overzealous in their attempts to constantly teach him the ways of life.
The manner of dialogue used, which some claim is bad acting, seems to me to be Anakins stumbling over his words because his thoughts are beyond him. He has these extraordinary powers and an urge to prove himself to everyone. Yet he is still immature and realizes that everything he says is taken by others as the words of "only a padowan learner." So everytime he speaks, he's working out his defenses in his head, waiting for the inevitable patronizing reply from obi-wan or yoda. And he is trying too hard to be better than those around him, when it's experience that counts. When he is around padme, he can express his discontent with his situation, and his affection for her, something he isn't used to doing. It reminded me of those awkward first dates everyone has had. (most of you I hope)
I found this movie to be vastly more intellectual than all the other Star Wars movies. There were so many subtle things going on, a web of political developments. If you don't watch closely, you wont realize that everyone in this movie is directly or indirectly a puppet of Palpatine. I thought this aspect was brilliant in its subtletly. Of course this type of story bores a lot of people because there isn't an explosion every 30 seconds followed by some tits in your face.
For example, my brother-in-law is a whining rebellious little punk. He'll b1tch about things being unfair, he is short-sighted, very rebellious, and very quick tempered. But he also has a heart of gold and will do anything for loved ones, until he gets pissed off. He has been in the U.S. Army for several years, and wants to join the police force when he is done with that. Anakin totally reminds me of this guy, the way he has good intentions, but if you say one thing he doesn't like, he'll get angry and kill all the sandpeople, and then cry about it. His ideas are not usually taken seriously, and most people around him are overzealous in their attempts to constantly teach him the ways of life.
The manner of dialogue used, which some claim is bad acting, seems to me to be Anakins stumbling over his words because his thoughts are beyond him. He has these extraordinary powers and an urge to prove himself to everyone. Yet he is still immature and realizes that everything he says is taken by others as the words of "only a padowan learner." So everytime he speaks, he's working out his defenses in his head, waiting for the inevitable patronizing reply from obi-wan or yoda. And he is trying too hard to be better than those around him, when it's experience that counts. When he is around padme, he can express his discontent with his situation, and his affection for her, something he isn't used to doing. It reminded me of those awkward first dates everyone has had. (most of you I hope)
I found this movie to be vastly more intellectual than all the other Star Wars movies. There were so many subtle things going on, a web of political developments. If you don't watch closely, you wont realize that everyone in this movie is directly or indirectly a puppet of Palpatine. I thought this aspect was brilliant in its subtletly. Of course this type of story bores a lot of people because there isn't an explosion every 30 seconds followed by some tits in your face.
For some reason I feel i have to reply to above post to defend my point of view.
One doesn't go to a star wars movie looking for action every 30 seconds and tits in their face. If I want to see that I would go watch The big hit (you know the one with marky mark?) I was expecting a lot more from this as ep1 was just, as someone else in the thread said, the first 3 chapters of a good book. I really can't explain what really got to me except for what appeared to be un-rehearsed lines and actors that just didn't seem to care about what they were doing. The story line was interesting and definetly leads to what will happen in the furture episodes. Also the scenes and props and cg were amazing. Just think it could have been a lot better.
One doesn't go to a star wars movie looking for action every 30 seconds and tits in their face. If I want to see that I would go watch The big hit (you know the one with marky mark?) I was expecting a lot more from this as ep1 was just, as someone else in the thread said, the first 3 chapters of a good book. I really can't explain what really got to me except for what appeared to be un-rehearsed lines and actors that just didn't seem to care about what they were doing. The story line was interesting and definetly leads to what will happen in the furture episodes. Also the scenes and props and cg were amazing. Just think it could have been a lot better.
lol, Andy!
I wasn't singling you out Manifest, I was generalizing movie goers as a whole. Obviously you are part of the minority of society with enough brains to make it to this forum and post a message, so I know explosions and tits aren't what gives your life purpose. And I sure as hell don't expect everyone to like Star Wars, or that there is something wrong with someone who doesn't like it.
Anyway, I think I was just too engrossed in the story and the mystery of what Obi-Wan was investigating to notice that the acting was bad. Just for fun I watched the old trilogy, trying to maintain the mindset of an episode 1 or 2 critic, and guess what?
Episode 4 - It's a campy, old, done before story line, with some bad acting by Hamill and even Harrison Ford. Owen and Beru were horribly acted out. Comic releif from the droids and Chewbacca was goofy, and editing in some parts was just strange. For example Lukes references to Biggs, and their later reunion. The original scene with Luke and Biggs before Biggs left Tatooine was deleted, so the follow ups didn't make sense. And somebody explain to me why picking up power converters with your friends is a fun pastime on Tatooine? Also the fighting choreogrophy is terrible compared to todays standards.
Episode 5 - near flawless, until the Special Edition (Luke screaming as he fell in Bespin was gay.) Explain to me how a 2 ton Taun-taun, a native of Hoth, freezes and collapses before a 180 pound guy? Billy Dee Williams wasn't exactly a great actor either. Mark Hamill has improved his skills, but like his father, he is whiney at times. (when do i get to meet yoda, how far is he, waaaah waaaah! lol)
Episode 6 - Ok, Emperor Palpatine was cool, and the battle against the 2nd Death Star was cool. The Ewoks though, too much cuteness there. They should have been much less fuzzy. I cringed when Chewbacca howled like Tarzan while swinging from a vine. Yoda's death was very sad, and well done. Jabbas blues band was silly and seemed out of place, especially the redux in the Special Edition. Boba Fett's death totally sucked! He was such a cool bounty hunter, and he gets accidentally knocked into the Sarlacc? Bullsh1t! I'm glad this major flaw was corrected in the Dark Empire comic series. And the ongoing monologues of the Emperor taunting Luke began to bore me a bit. The acting for the Mon Calamari was pretty bad, but Harrison Ford has finally honed his skills to perfection. As usual in every single Star Wars movie, supporting actors in minor roles are pretty bad.
So you see, anyone can critique these movies to death, or you can just let yourself fall into a fun fantasy world and ignore the minor, silly flaws. I prefer to have fun!
I wasn't singling you out Manifest, I was generalizing movie goers as a whole. Obviously you are part of the minority of society with enough brains to make it to this forum and post a message, so I know explosions and tits aren't what gives your life purpose. And I sure as hell don't expect everyone to like Star Wars, or that there is something wrong with someone who doesn't like it.
Anyway, I think I was just too engrossed in the story and the mystery of what Obi-Wan was investigating to notice that the acting was bad. Just for fun I watched the old trilogy, trying to maintain the mindset of an episode 1 or 2 critic, and guess what?
Episode 4 - It's a campy, old, done before story line, with some bad acting by Hamill and even Harrison Ford. Owen and Beru were horribly acted out. Comic releif from the droids and Chewbacca was goofy, and editing in some parts was just strange. For example Lukes references to Biggs, and their later reunion. The original scene with Luke and Biggs before Biggs left Tatooine was deleted, so the follow ups didn't make sense. And somebody explain to me why picking up power converters with your friends is a fun pastime on Tatooine? Also the fighting choreogrophy is terrible compared to todays standards.
Episode 5 - near flawless, until the Special Edition (Luke screaming as he fell in Bespin was gay.) Explain to me how a 2 ton Taun-taun, a native of Hoth, freezes and collapses before a 180 pound guy? Billy Dee Williams wasn't exactly a great actor either. Mark Hamill has improved his skills, but like his father, he is whiney at times. (when do i get to meet yoda, how far is he, waaaah waaaah! lol)
Episode 6 - Ok, Emperor Palpatine was cool, and the battle against the 2nd Death Star was cool. The Ewoks though, too much cuteness there. They should have been much less fuzzy. I cringed when Chewbacca howled like Tarzan while swinging from a vine. Yoda's death was very sad, and well done. Jabbas blues band was silly and seemed out of place, especially the redux in the Special Edition. Boba Fett's death totally sucked! He was such a cool bounty hunter, and he gets accidentally knocked into the Sarlacc? Bullsh1t! I'm glad this major flaw was corrected in the Dark Empire comic series. And the ongoing monologues of the Emperor taunting Luke began to bore me a bit. The acting for the Mon Calamari was pretty bad, but Harrison Ford has finally honed his skills to perfection. As usual in every single Star Wars movie, supporting actors in minor roles are pretty bad.
So you see, anyone can critique these movies to death, or you can just let yourself fall into a fun fantasy world and ignore the minor, silly flaws. I prefer to have fun!
I think the biggest problem here is that the new trilogy is proving to be a little too deep for some people.
There is actually a deeper story line happening and also many story threads weaving that will eventually come together in Episode III.
The original trilogy didn't go half as deep as the action and story was very linear.
There is actually a deeper story line happening and also many story threads weaving that will eventually come together in Episode III.
The original trilogy didn't go half as deep as the action and story was very linear.
Exactly. If I want to watch a movie that has no plot, and doesnt lead me around to the very end, I'll rewatch "I Love Lesbians 12".
Otherwise Ep2's subtle plots, within plots, were masterful.
And Believe it or not, there are a lot of folks who havent seen the first 3.
Anakin was cast perfectly, and he played a scared confused boy, who's childhhod was stolen, very well. TO have to confront all that anger, sadness and power at the same time, in addition to becoming a man, that would confuse the hell out of me too.
Otherwise Ep2's subtle plots, within plots, were masterful.
And Believe it or not, there are a lot of folks who havent seen the first 3.
Anakin was cast perfectly, and he played a scared confused boy, who's childhhod was stolen, very well. TO have to confront all that anger, sadness and power at the same time, in addition to becoming a man, that would confuse the hell out of me too.
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I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the best scene of all, the biggest sub-plot of all.
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You know, the scene when Anakin explains to Padame what he did after his mother's demise. George Lucas shows how truly evil Darth Vader is. An evil far and above anything imaginable. I think it was the best scene in the movie. Episodes IV,V, & VI never really showed how evil Darth Vader was. Those episodes made Darth Vader the Villian but not an evil that would kill women and children like Anakin did in his emotional rage. Wow, I can't wait to see what Anakin does in Episode III. Episode III should be the darkest and most evil film developed in the Star Wars series. Go Empire!!!!
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the best scene of all, the biggest sub-plot of all.
Spoiler
You know, the scene when Anakin explains to Padame what he did after his mother's demise. George Lucas shows how truly evil Darth Vader is. An evil far and above anything imaginable. I think it was the best scene in the movie. Episodes IV,V, & VI never really showed how evil Darth Vader was. Those episodes made Darth Vader the Villian but not an evil that would kill women and children like Anakin did in his emotional rage. Wow, I can't wait to see what Anakin does in Episode III. Episode III should be the darkest and most evil film developed in the Star Wars series. Go Empire!!!!
Just seen it tonite (I know I know, Ive been busy) and it was fantastic. Im thinking about going again this weekend.
Something I really love about the Star Wars movies is the sound. God, the laser blasts, light sabres, star ship engines. My pants were vibrating when those siesmic mines went off. It really adds to the whole I think.
I am really waiting for the third. Not as much as I am waiting for the two towers though...
Something I really love about the Star Wars movies is the sound. God, the laser blasts, light sabres, star ship engines. My pants were vibrating when those siesmic mines went off. It really adds to the whole I think.
I am really waiting for the third. Not as much as I am waiting for the two towers though...
I am intrigued by the Two Towers reference. Please explain?
Also,
Can anyone tell me the names of 3,7,8 & 9.
I want to buy them but Amazon is too clogged up with Fan Fiction. Dark Empire etc.
I think it is reading time.
BTW, I agree with the previous comments about the casting of Anakin but my cold chill came when he told Padme that he thought the idea of a dictatorship is the best idea. "Whatever works".
That and the last scene with the Imperial Death March playing.
Also,
Can anyone tell me the names of 3,7,8 & 9.
I want to buy them but Amazon is too clogged up with Fan Fiction. Dark Empire etc.
I think it is reading time.
BTW, I agree with the previous comments about the casting of Anakin but my cold chill came when he told Padme that he thought the idea of a dictatorship is the best idea. "Whatever works".
That and the last scene with the Imperial Death March playing.
Quote:I am intrigued by the Two Towers reference. Please explain?
I just like the LOTR story better. Not by alot though. And I am sure the Two Towers is gonna rock...the battle at helm's deep will be very cool.
I just like the LOTR story better. Not by alot though. And I am sure the Two Towers is gonna rock...the battle at helm's deep will be very cool.
I always thought the stories for all nine were written but never made into screenplays.
If Lucas was to make 7,8 & 9 he might run into trouble with the amount of fan fiction written as someone might accuse him of stealing ideas.
Apparently this is why ideas for Star Trek scripts are never taken from fans unless they are contracted script writers as copyright issues cause problems.
Also why ideas discussed in UseNet never come to fruition - copyright issues.
If Lucas was to make 7,8 & 9 he might run into trouble with the amount of fan fiction written as someone might accuse him of stealing ideas.
Apparently this is why ideas for Star Trek scripts are never taken from fans unless they are contracted script writers as copyright issues cause problems.
Also why ideas discussed in UseNet never come to fruition - copyright issues.
All the ideas for novels, comics, games and such commercial copyrighted Star Wars fiction are approved by Lucas. He is very strict with how other authors can use the rules of the force, and what can happen to the major characters and places. He has had his story written for himself since 1975, all 9 episodes, and he has taken steps to make sure none of these other stories impede upon or conflict with his episodes that are yet to come.
I'm sure he will take a break for a few years after episode 3. To my knowledge he has not specified lately if or when he will start on episode 7,8,9. Allow 3 years for each of those after his break, and the 3 years to wait for episode 3, and they should all be done in about 12-15 years from now! The other problem is that the guy is 58 years old now. If he goes by this hypothetical schedule, he would have to live to at least 73 to finish telling his story. Talk about a lifetime achievment - 40 years making Star Wars movies!!!
p.s. - I just saw the movie again today. Did anyone else manage to spot the Millenium Falcon? As Anakin and Padme were first arriving on Naboo, descending in the ship, you can see the MF parked on the ground way to the left on the screen!
And I want Dooku's lightsaber, it's a cool design!
I'm sure he will take a break for a few years after episode 3. To my knowledge he has not specified lately if or when he will start on episode 7,8,9. Allow 3 years for each of those after his break, and the 3 years to wait for episode 3, and they should all be done in about 12-15 years from now! The other problem is that the guy is 58 years old now. If he goes by this hypothetical schedule, he would have to live to at least 73 to finish telling his story. Talk about a lifetime achievment - 40 years making Star Wars movies!!!
p.s. - I just saw the movie again today. Did anyone else manage to spot the Millenium Falcon? As Anakin and Padme were first arriving on Naboo, descending in the ship, you can see the MF parked on the ground way to the left on the screen!
And I want Dooku's lightsaber, it's a cool design!
I thought this movie hauled major a$$.
I don't feel like writing a huge review here so I'll just mention something that bothered me about both Episode I and II, but even more in II. I think computer-aided graphics are all fine and dandy, but I think there is a point where they are too much and I think Episode II is bordering on "too much" computer stuff. It's almost as if George Lucas has something against real humans doing the acting jobs. For example, when Obi-Wan was speaking with his buddy at that restaurant EVERYTHING in the damn place was fake. The robot waiters, the other customers, and most of all... Obi's friend were all computer generated. Everybody! I tend to think that if a character in that movie could be played by somebody in a costume that it would have a much more authentic effect. Imagine Fat Ba$tard from Austin Powers being replaced by a computer generated version.... just wouldn't be the same.
On the other hand, Stars Wars from the very beginning has been all about using the day's latest and "greatest" technology. I remember when I was 2 and the original Star Wars were the big thing, my mother was watching a "making of" Star Wars and the biggest thing was "how the heck did they make those light sabers!?". We've come a long way, but I think perhaps Lucas needs to more carefully consider how he uses computer technology in his films. In huge battle scenes it is awesome, in small restaurant scenes I think it would be better without.
Oh, and as far as "The Two Towers" goes....
Think of it as Lord Of The Rings Episode II
. The Two Towers picks up where The Fellowship of the Ring left off. After that, The Return of the King is the final book of the trilogy. Consider it Lord Of The Rings Episode III.
I don't feel like writing a huge review here so I'll just mention something that bothered me about both Episode I and II, but even more in II. I think computer-aided graphics are all fine and dandy, but I think there is a point where they are too much and I think Episode II is bordering on "too much" computer stuff. It's almost as if George Lucas has something against real humans doing the acting jobs. For example, when Obi-Wan was speaking with his buddy at that restaurant EVERYTHING in the damn place was fake. The robot waiters, the other customers, and most of all... Obi's friend were all computer generated. Everybody! I tend to think that if a character in that movie could be played by somebody in a costume that it would have a much more authentic effect. Imagine Fat Ba$tard from Austin Powers being replaced by a computer generated version.... just wouldn't be the same.
On the other hand, Stars Wars from the very beginning has been all about using the day's latest and "greatest" technology. I remember when I was 2 and the original Star Wars were the big thing, my mother was watching a "making of" Star Wars and the biggest thing was "how the heck did they make those light sabers!?". We've come a long way, but I think perhaps Lucas needs to more carefully consider how he uses computer technology in his films. In huge battle scenes it is awesome, in small restaurant scenes I think it would be better without.
Oh, and as far as "The Two Towers" goes....
Think of it as Lord Of The Rings Episode II
. The Two Towers picks up where The Fellowship of the Ring left off. After that, The Return of the King is the final book of the trilogy. Consider it Lord Of The Rings Episode III.
Quote:Oh, and as far as "The Two Towers" goes....
Yea....i thought that was a given, but I guess there are some ppl not as 'fantasy' nerdy as me. Not that its a bad thing though...
I recall reading somewhere that there were two different petitions out concerning LOTR: The Two Towers
1) That they change the name accordingly
2) The fans DEMAND that it is released NOW
lol
There was alotta ppl that didnt know about books #2 and 3 for lotr as well that I noticed, just like 4 5 6 or Star Wars.
Yea....i thought that was a given, but I guess there are some ppl not as 'fantasy' nerdy as me. Not that its a bad thing though...
I recall reading somewhere that there were two different petitions out concerning LOTR: The Two Towers
1) That they change the name accordingly
2) The fans DEMAND that it is released NOW
lol
There was alotta ppl that didnt know about books #2 and 3 for lotr as well that I noticed, just like 4 5 6 or Star Wars.
I just saw the movie again today. Did anyone else manage to spot the Millenium Falcon? As Anakin and Padme were first arriving on Naboo, descending in the ship, you can see the MF parked on the ground way to the left on the screen!
No guarantee that was the Millenium Falcon.
The ship is just a modified Corellian Light Freighter (Sad hat firmly in place) so it could really have been anything, but I shall now pay extra attention when I go to see the film again
No guarantee that was the Millenium Falcon.
The ship is just a modified Corellian Light Freighter (Sad hat firmly in place) so it could really have been anything, but I shall now pay extra attention when I go to see the film again
