Quake 3 Arena on SMP system
Anyone managed to get Quake 3 Arena to work on SMP system? I seems to get an instant hang on Windows 2000 (2195) when I start Quake 3. System Spec: Geforce DDR Nvidia Reference Driver 3. 75 256 Mb PC133 Dual Celeron 450 Mhz.
Anyone managed to get Quake 3 Arena to work on SMP system?
I seems to get an instant hang on Windows 2000 (2195) when I start Quake 3.
System Spec:
Geforce DDR
Nvidia Reference Driver 3.75
256 Mb PC133
Dual Celeron 450 Mhz.
I seems to get an instant hang on Windows 2000 (2195) when I start Quake 3.
System Spec:
Geforce DDR
Nvidia Reference Driver 3.75
256 Mb PC133
Dual Celeron 450 Mhz.
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Try this, go to run and type dxdiag. Then click on the display tab. Then click on Test DirectDraw and Direct3D. If your system locks up. Make sure you get your AGP aperature to the lowest amount and then repeat. If it locks up again start toying with the settings till it works. Also I tried the new 3.76 and I have no problems in Quake III under SMP Toying around is the best way to see what works and what doesn't also makesure you bios is updated. I got my bios updated to Windows 2000 recently. Once I applied it the errors just vanished
Marksmanx,
I haven't have problem under dxdiag, it won't lock up my system. Under Quake3, when I close Quake3 and restart again, it reached the grey skin and it just hang there. BTW, I have the appeture size set to 4 Mb, but still doesn't work. Reference Driver 3.76 from Reactorcritical.
I have the latest BIOS update, that is May 1999. The manufacturer didn't make any BIOS update since then.
If you don't mind, could you send me your Quake3 Config file to my email address (slkh@hotmail.com)?
Thanks.
I haven't have problem under dxdiag, it won't lock up my system. Under Quake3, when I close Quake3 and restart again, it reached the grey skin and it just hang there. BTW, I have the appeture size set to 4 Mb, but still doesn't work. Reference Driver 3.76 from Reactorcritical.
I have the latest BIOS update, that is May 1999. The manufacturer didn't make any BIOS update since then.
If you don't mind, could you send me your Quake3 Config file to my email address (slkh@hotmail.com)?
Thanks.
Epox KP6-BS BIOS 05-20-1999
Dual Celeron 300A@450/464 Mhz @ 2.0v
dual GlobalWin cooling system + 4 PSU fan
HP 8100i
Full tower casing 300w
Quantum Fireball KA 18.1 Gb
Seagate Medalist Pro 6.4 Gb
Asus CDROM 34x
Realtek 10Mbps Network Card
Sonic Vibre sound card
1x128 Mb PC133 Crucial Memory
1x128 Mb PC100 Hyundai Memory
Creative Geforce DDR 32 Mb
Nvidia Reference Driver 3.76/3.75/3.68 for Windows 2000 from http://www.reactorcritical.com
System BIOS cacheble
Video BIOS non-cacheble (Tried cacheble)
Video RAM non-cacheble (Tried cacheble)
Apperture size = 256 Mb (Tried 128, 64, 32, 4)
Anything else you like to know?
Dual Celeron 300A@450/464 Mhz @ 2.0v
dual GlobalWin cooling system + 4 PSU fan
HP 8100i
Full tower casing 300w
Quantum Fireball KA 18.1 Gb
Seagate Medalist Pro 6.4 Gb
Asus CDROM 34x
Realtek 10Mbps Network Card
Sonic Vibre sound card
1x128 Mb PC133 Crucial Memory
1x128 Mb PC100 Hyundai Memory
Creative Geforce DDR 32 Mb
Nvidia Reference Driver 3.76/3.75/3.68 for Windows 2000 from http://www.reactorcritical.com
System BIOS cacheble
Video BIOS non-cacheble (Tried cacheble)
Video RAM non-cacheble (Tried cacheble)
Apperture size = 256 Mb (Tried 128, 64, 32, 4)
Anything else you like to know?
Did you try restoring the CPU to their default speed? Is your system operating well at 300 Watts? From what I read you need atleast 350+ Watts for a dual system. First try this. Remove PC 133 DIMM and run with 128 PC 100 and run Q3. If it locks up try the PC 133 without the PC 100 and if it locks up then it's not the memory Set the Apperature Size to 4MB and don't set it to 256 because the bios allocated the 256 to AGP thus having no resources for Windows 2000 to use. I think a BIOS flash will solve most of your problems to be honest. That new bios flash from Tyan just stopped the grey screen in quake III. If this fails, then contact Epox and ask them are they planning in releasing a bios update for Windows 2000. Let me know if this helped
I don't think I can find any PSU more than 300w in UK, unless I go and look for those exotic PSU for those servers. I personally think 300w for this system is a bit overkilling.
Well, I mess around with quite a lot of thigns today. Resetting the CPU to 300 Mhz (both), Use PC100 Memory for this stuff. Set apperture size from 4 Mb to 64 Mb.
Using the latest Nvidia Reference Driver, tweak around with DXDiag. No luck in getting it to run. Reference Drier for NT4.0 3.68 seems to be the most stable that I have found so far.
I don't think I want to flash a Tyan BIOS into my Epox BIOS. It will simply roast my BIOS.
I think I am going to give up on this. By the way, what system are you having?
Well, I mess around with quite a lot of thigns today. Resetting the CPU to 300 Mhz (both), Use PC100 Memory for this stuff. Set apperture size from 4 Mb to 64 Mb.
Using the latest Nvidia Reference Driver, tweak around with DXDiag. No luck in getting it to run. Reference Drier for NT4.0 3.68 seems to be the most stable that I have found so far.
I don't think I want to flash a Tyan BIOS into my Epox BIOS. It will simply roast my BIOS.
I think I am going to give up on this. By the way, what system are you having?
Quote:Originally posted by slkh:
I don't think I can find any PSU more than 300w in UK, unless I go and look for those exotic PSU for those servers. I personally think 300w for this system is a bit overkilling.
Well, I mess around with quite a lot of thigns today. Resetting the CPU to 300 Mhz (both), Use PC100 Memory for this stuff. Set apperture size from 4 Mb to 64 Mb.
Using the latest Nvidia Reference Driver, tweak around with DXDiag. No luck in getting it to run. Reference Drier for NT4.0 3.68 seems to be the most stable that I have found so far.
I don't think I want to flash a Tyan BIOS into my Epox BIOS. It will simply roast my BIOS.
I think I am going to give up on this. By the way, what system are you having?
PLEASE DO NOT use other manufactures bios for updates I have a Tyan S1832DL Tiger 100 motherboard. I recently ordered two Pentium III 700 E processors I don’t believe RAMBUS is going to be embraced at all by the motherboard manufactures at all. Plus memory companies are considering canceling because of the Royalties involved. Lets see here for 256 MEGS of RAMBUS RAM I can get a total system upgrade! Not worth it and I do need to upgrade. Plus Intel with their buggy I820 and I840 chipsets are not worth the gamble at this point. BX is fine for me and I will continue to use this motherboard till Intel has a really STABLE chipset.
You can order a good power supply at http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/home.htm I ordered my 400WATTs from them. 3 Year warrantee From what I have read and seen people always say use 350+ Watts for a dual system. You might burn out your power supply. So just letting you know now
Remember not all systems are alike some people have SMP working and some do not It’s just little things like bios settings that affect the total outcome in SMP mode in Quake III. Just wait one more week and you will see manufacturers releasing updated bios and patches so they can run in Windows 2000 I know it’s frustrating, I must have switched cards around and moved DIMMS around and eventually it WORKED! NT is a VEEEERRRY pick OS and if you have something it doesn’t like. It won’t run properly
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Dual Intel Pentium II 450
384 MEGS of PC-100 RAM
Sound Blaster Live!
Promise DMA/66 Controller
GeForce 256 DDR
IBM Deskstar 34GXP 27.3GB DMA 66
Western Digital 20.5GB DMA 66
Intellimouse Explorer (USB)
Roland Sound Canvis SC-55
3COM 3CR990-TX-97 with 3XP Processor 10/100 PCI Network Interface Card
I don't think I can find any PSU more than 300w in UK, unless I go and look for those exotic PSU for those servers. I personally think 300w for this system is a bit overkilling.
Well, I mess around with quite a lot of thigns today. Resetting the CPU to 300 Mhz (both), Use PC100 Memory for this stuff. Set apperture size from 4 Mb to 64 Mb.
Using the latest Nvidia Reference Driver, tweak around with DXDiag. No luck in getting it to run. Reference Drier for NT4.0 3.68 seems to be the most stable that I have found so far.
I don't think I want to flash a Tyan BIOS into my Epox BIOS. It will simply roast my BIOS.
I think I am going to give up on this. By the way, what system are you having?
PLEASE DO NOT use other manufactures bios for updates I have a Tyan S1832DL Tiger 100 motherboard. I recently ordered two Pentium III 700 E processors I don’t believe RAMBUS is going to be embraced at all by the motherboard manufactures at all. Plus memory companies are considering canceling because of the Royalties involved. Lets see here for 256 MEGS of RAMBUS RAM I can get a total system upgrade! Not worth it and I do need to upgrade. Plus Intel with their buggy I820 and I840 chipsets are not worth the gamble at this point. BX is fine for me and I will continue to use this motherboard till Intel has a really STABLE chipset.
You can order a good power supply at http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/home.htm I ordered my 400WATTs from them. 3 Year warrantee From what I have read and seen people always say use 350+ Watts for a dual system. You might burn out your power supply. So just letting you know now
Remember not all systems are alike some people have SMP working and some do not It’s just little things like bios settings that affect the total outcome in SMP mode in Quake III. Just wait one more week and you will see manufacturers releasing updated bios and patches so they can run in Windows 2000 I know it’s frustrating, I must have switched cards around and moved DIMMS around and eventually it WORKED! NT is a VEEEERRRY pick OS and if you have something it doesn’t like. It won’t run properly
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Dual Intel Pentium II 450
384 MEGS of PC-100 RAM
Sound Blaster Live!
Promise DMA/66 Controller
GeForce 256 DDR
IBM Deskstar 34GXP 27.3GB DMA 66
Western Digital 20.5GB DMA 66
Intellimouse Explorer (USB)
Roland Sound Canvis SC-55
3COM 3CR990-TX-97 with 3XP Processor 10/100 PCI Network Interface Card
Thanks for your tips.
But I think I will probably stick to Windows 98 for the time being as gamers platform. I use Windows 2000 for normal work will do.
Probably I have already tried almost every tweaking method available. I think it has nothing to do with my hardware. It can either be the driver not too optimized enough or my BIOS isn't compatible enough. I guess even by a week time, I will still have similar problem, they couldn't possibly fix it that soon coz SMP users are almost considered as minority. Uniprocessor mode still work fine though.
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Simon
But I think I will probably stick to Windows 98 for the time being as gamers platform. I use Windows 2000 for normal work will do.
Probably I have already tried almost every tweaking method available. I think it has nothing to do with my hardware. It can either be the driver not too optimized enough or my BIOS isn't compatible enough. I guess even by a week time, I will still have similar problem, they couldn't possibly fix it that soon coz SMP users are almost considered as minority. Uniprocessor mode still work fine though.
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Simon
Hi,
Maybe this is a little after the fact, but I had the same problem with Q3. Would lock up as soon as I started it.
After a lot of futzing around I narrowed it down to my RC5 client. Turned it off and the game runs fine. I also linked some problems to setting ignorehwgamma to 1 .
But I am running win2k 2195 (i noticed you where running 98??? and smp??), and my RC5 client is version 2.7106.436 (a little old).
GL,
Enmity
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Theres a big difference between knealing down and bending over- FZ
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dual cel 366@550
BP6
256mb Ram
Viper 770U
SB PCI128
3Com 10/100
10gb IBM ATA66
40X cd
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Maybe this is a little after the fact, but I had the same problem with Q3. Would lock up as soon as I started it.
After a lot of futzing around I narrowed it down to my RC5 client. Turned it off and the game runs fine. I also linked some problems to setting ignorehwgamma to 1 .
But I am running win2k 2195 (i noticed you where running 98??? and smp??), and my RC5 client is version 2.7106.436 (a little old).
GL,
Enmity
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Theres a big difference between knealing down and bending over- FZ
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dual cel 366@550
BP6
256mb Ram
Viper 770U
SB PCI128
3Com 10/100
10gb IBM ATA66
40X cd
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After some try by turning off the RC5Client, I seems to be able to work around with Q3 now.
It is quite a bit more stable. Although occasionally it hangs particularly when changing resolutions.
I do not see any benefit of using SMP system here, it seems to me as though there is only about 0.3 fps benefit when I run in 1024x768 32 bit colour, High Detail, Trilinear mode. The fps score is still 17 fps lower than Windows 98.
I hope Nvidia will at least come out with something very much better than what they have now by tomorrow.
Thanks for your tips anyway.
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Simon
BTW, I am using Windows 2000 (2195)/Windows 98. Dual Boot.
>Hi,
>Maybe this is a little after the fact, but >I had the same problem with Q3. Would lock >up as soon as I started it.
>After a lot of futzing around I narrowed it >down to my RC5 client. Turned it off and >the game runs fine. I also linked some >problems to setting ignorehwgamma to 1 .
>But I am running win2k 2195 (i noticed you >where running 98??? and smp??), and my RC5 >client is version 2.7106.436 (a little old).
>GL,
>Enmity
It is quite a bit more stable. Although occasionally it hangs particularly when changing resolutions.
I do not see any benefit of using SMP system here, it seems to me as though there is only about 0.3 fps benefit when I run in 1024x768 32 bit colour, High Detail, Trilinear mode. The fps score is still 17 fps lower than Windows 98.
I hope Nvidia will at least come out with something very much better than what they have now by tomorrow.
Thanks for your tips anyway.
--
Simon
BTW, I am using Windows 2000 (2195)/Windows 98. Dual Boot.
>Hi,
>Maybe this is a little after the fact, but >I had the same problem with Q3. Would lock >up as soon as I started it.
>After a lot of futzing around I narrowed it >down to my RC5 client. Turned it off and >the game runs fine. I also linked some >problems to setting ignorehwgamma to 1 .
>But I am running win2k 2195 (i noticed you >where running 98??? and smp??), and my RC5 >client is version 2.7106.436 (a little old).
>GL,
>Enmity
Guy's,
Check out this cool article on Win2K SMP and Q3A at Thresh's firing squad.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/q3adrivers/default.asp
They point out what slkh has seen. That at high res SMP doesn't help as much due to the fill rate of the card being so maxed out. It will be cool to see how Q3A does with a V56000 and SMP though.
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SlaveDog
freeman@primenet.com
Check out this cool article on Win2K SMP and Q3A at Thresh's firing squad.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/q3adrivers/default.asp
They point out what slkh has seen. That at high res SMP doesn't help as much due to the fill rate of the card being so maxed out. It will be cool to see how Q3A does with a V56000 and SMP though.
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SlaveDog
freeman@primenet.com
Hey slkh:
I've got the same mobo as you. I mailed Epox in December and asked if they would be releasing a BIOS update for the 1Mb chip. They said they'd support the 2Mb bios, but "probably not" the 1Mb.
Ba$tard$ - I bought the board in August and it already been obsoleted. Also there's no way to tell what type of bios is in the box.
Maybe if we just keep requesting they'll do something.
I've got the same mobo as you. I mailed Epox in December and asked if they would be releasing a BIOS update for the 1Mb chip. They said they'd support the 2Mb bios, but "probably not" the 1Mb.
Ba$tard$ - I bought the board in August and it already been obsoleted. Also there's no way to tell what type of bios is in the box.
Maybe if we just keep requesting they'll do something.
What a bunch of arse.
The Driver Development kit (which, along with the SDK, has accompanied every milestone rev of W2K) inherently supports SMP. In fact, this is the main reason that MS refused to ship 3DFX drivers on the W2K CD - because they didn't support SMP and could therefore break the OS.
Ultimatly, this just goes to show how crap some companies are at understanding what supporting their products is all about...after all, the NT4 drivers run under SMP...
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SuperMicro P6DBS (dual UW-SCSI) BIOS 2.2, 2*Celery 300a @ 450Mhz, 384MB PC100 RAM
SCSI-A=4.3Gb+9Gb, SCSI-B=Tosh32x CD-ROM, Yamaha4416 CD-RW, Iomega ZIP100, IDE1=4.3Gb
IBM EtherJet 10/100 NIC PCI + Nortel ADSL "modem"
Matrox G400 DH 32Mb AGP + Quantum3D Voodoo2 SLI PCI (CL TNT1 AGP on a shelf)
SoundBlaster Live PCI (not Value)
Win2K build 2195 Retail (not 120-day eval)
The Driver Development kit (which, along with the SDK, has accompanied every milestone rev of W2K) inherently supports SMP. In fact, this is the main reason that MS refused to ship 3DFX drivers on the W2K CD - because they didn't support SMP and could therefore break the OS.
Ultimatly, this just goes to show how crap some companies are at understanding what supporting their products is all about...after all, the NT4 drivers run under SMP...
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SuperMicro P6DBS (dual UW-SCSI) BIOS 2.2, 2*Celery 300a @ 450Mhz, 384MB PC100 RAM
SCSI-A=4.3Gb+9Gb, SCSI-B=Tosh32x CD-ROM, Yamaha4416 CD-RW, Iomega ZIP100, IDE1=4.3Gb
IBM EtherJet 10/100 NIC PCI + Nortel ADSL "modem"
Matrox G400 DH 32Mb AGP + Quantum3D Voodoo2 SLI PCI (CL TNT1 AGP on a shelf)
SoundBlaster Live PCI (not Value)
Win2K build 2195 Retail (not 120-day eval)
