Why are you running Linux?
Just thought I would pose a poll as for your reasoning in selecting this OS. For me, the final kicker was the pricing on upgrading our Exchange server from 5. 5 to 2000. As there is no longer an upgrade option, it will now cost at *least* $10,000US for us to REPLACE the licenses, rather than a few grand at the most ...
Just thought I would pose a poll as for your reasoning in selecting this OS. For me, the final kicker was the pricing on "upgrading" our Exchange server from 5.5 to 2000. As there is no longer an upgrade option, it will now cost at *least* $10,000US for us to REPLACE the licenses, rather than a few grand at the most to upgrade them. I decided that since many applications have matured, while many more new ones are coming down the pipe for Linux that I would try using it again.
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idud is right. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've had 100 times more fun running Linux than I ever had running Windows. Plus, with me, when I was running Windows, there was always this felling that I was at the mercy of my computer. What a horrible feeling!! With Linux, I feel completely in control of my computer! It's a liberating feeling, and I will NEVER go back to using Windows.
ME dislike M$ what kicked it was microsoft xp
Do you want to get a fairly decent visual idea of what causes problems in OSs? Try the following: Get yourself a piece of printer paper. At the bottom, draw a box and label it 'CPU'. At the top, draw another box, and label it 'User'. In between, add rectangles representing the programs that are in the OS - for Linux, add first 'Kernel' and then 'Shell' and if you use a 'desktop environment' add the 'display manager' and finally the 'GUI'. Above this woud be the 'user programs'(except for the 'command line' programs, which simply leave out the 'GUI' and 'display manager' communicating with the 'Kernel' only through the 'Shell'. Originally Windows would have looked pretty much the same, but since Win95 was introduced, M$ no longer has a sequence as such. 95 was about as close to this as Windoze has ever been. For 98, you would have to take parts of the GUI and attach them directly to the 'Kernel' along with at least one of the 'user programs' (the web browser'). As Windows 'progressed' more and more stuff has been 'integrated', making the result more and more like a maze. Other OSs are similar to the Linux diagram, or more like the Windows diagram. The Linux style is more stable because each level communicates only with the level above or below. The M$ style is not, because each level communicates with the ones above and below, but also with some above the next one up and perhaps the ones below the one immediately below. Except perhaps in XP, there are two 'shells' operatiing at the same time, one called "Windows Explorer" the other called "Internet Explorer". (98 and ME) In XP, and possibly 2000, 'Internet Explorer' became the primary shell and 'Windows Explorer' became mostly a 'user program'. I could be off on some of this, but one thing is certain, M$ has created, mostly purposely a "rat's nest" of code, that it is doubtful that anyone even in M$ can fully understand. The point is, the further you get from the CPU, the more chances that something will screw up. The more complex the stages between you and the CPU, the more chances something will screw up! 8)
Quote:.. the more chances something will screw up! ..
That sounds like M$.
Take something simple and.. (fill to hearts content.. just remember someone else may have added that so after you get yours in remove.. well maybe remove.. then add...)
8) I wounder how much of that resembles their actuall code? ;( x)
That sounds like M$.
Take something simple and.. (fill to hearts content.. just remember someone else may have added that so after you get yours in remove.. well maybe remove.. then add...)
8) I wounder how much of that resembles their actuall code? ;( x)
So thats why M$ isnt opensource there code is too damn confusing
So thats why M$ isnt opensource there code is too damn confusing
In reference to the 8 0r 9 gb missing on hd in XP.
XP has a lot of MRU (Most Recently Used) files. These are hidden files.
From the moment XP is installed those files record everything including key strokes, web sites visited, programs installed or uninstalled.programs opened
and closed programs downloaded.In short, everything on your computer and periodically send the info to M$.And yes ,BG knows you use Linux.
These files can get quite large and eventually become noticed as a shrinking HD.
A lot of your drive space can be recovered with utilities like MRU Blaster which
delete MRUs. Of course ,being freeware, those utilities are probably loaded with thier own spyware.
Also when I uninstall XP components , I use MyComputer to find and delete thier folders. Now instead of programs being reinstalled ,I get a lot of startup messages saying "file ?????? not found in specified location " .One thing though, XP has a
lot of duplicate apps installed in different locations, sometimes as many as 5.If it doesn' find it in one location ,it will move to the next and so on. That's why XP is such a HD hog and certain files keep being reincarnated.
XP has a lot of MRU (Most Recently Used) files. These are hidden files.
From the moment XP is installed those files record everything including key strokes, web sites visited, programs installed or uninstalled.programs opened
and closed programs downloaded.In short, everything on your computer and periodically send the info to M$.And yes ,BG knows you use Linux.
These files can get quite large and eventually become noticed as a shrinking HD.
A lot of your drive space can be recovered with utilities like MRU Blaster which
delete MRUs. Of course ,being freeware, those utilities are probably loaded with thier own spyware.
Also when I uninstall XP components , I use MyComputer to find and delete thier folders. Now instead of programs being reinstalled ,I get a lot of startup messages saying "file ?????? not found in specified location " .One thing though, XP has a
lot of duplicate apps installed in different locations, sometimes as many as 5.If it doesn' find it in one location ,it will move to the next and so on. That's why XP is such a HD hog and certain files keep being reincarnated.
i like linux running text on laptop but hp no accepty must use hammer for it holds windows it took me like 4 hours to get windohs to work 2 to install when i install linux it takes 20 minutes at max but windows holds king because of gaming options and all the non techies like its simplicity. But when it crashes and it does quite often. (I notice this at my school) people will start banging the mouse against the desk picking up the keyboard drop it, punch the monitor and start cursing. So microsoft succesfly destroys every perphial with your computer
Originally posted by Dapper Dan:
Quote: The only app we must use that is Microsoft oriented is Quickbooks. We run it with Win4lin, still it is more stable than it ever was natively.
Would you please let me know which version of Quickbooks you're running on Win4Lin, and if there were any glitches with it. I wondered if the updates, which are done through IE, might be a problem. I'm still trying to get Win4Lin running, so I haven't yet reached my ultimate goal of running QB on Linux.
Quote: The only app we must use that is Microsoft oriented is Quickbooks. We run it with Win4lin, still it is more stable than it ever was natively.
Would you please let me know which version of Quickbooks you're running on Win4Lin, and if there were any glitches with it. I wondered if the updates, which are done through IE, might be a problem. I'm still trying to get Win4Lin running, so I haven't yet reached my ultimate goal of running QB on Linux.
Well, I'm not sure if I'm elegable to post on this thread as I'm not actually running any variant of Linux...ATM. Have done briefly in the past in an experiment.
I'm sure a wanna-be-noobs perspective is in some way valid though.
-I want Linux because I believe in Open Source, the very ethos behind it sits perfectly with my values. I guess I'm a bit of a hippy at heart, and the very idea of a product (for want of a better word) being thrust into the publics hands to do with as they please, and allow it to evolve in line with THEIR needs rather than a companies marketing dept's wishes is a very big lure. There does seem to be a 'community' surrounding Linux, I don't know if it stems from Linux users being a minority (in the grand scale of things) coming together for solidarity or what, but one doesn't get that from any other groups really, and I like it.
-I don't trust M$ in any way. Their one driving force is $$$, not pushing for the most advanced, useful, accessable, secure options available, it simply comes down to profit with M$.
-I believe that M$, with windoze has managed to sheild its users from how a computer works, they call things different names in their GUI than what they themselves would use and understand amoungst themselves (for the most part anyway). Yes it makes computers VERY user-friendly...for simple things, as long as they can get programs to suit their needs. As far as your average window$ user goes if there isn't a program available in PC World for something, then it can't be done, end of. That is simply wrong in my book, and holding back development, and peoples use of computers.
-Security! (I don't really need to say more than that)
-Did I say I don't trust M$? I have a few mp3's, I don't want M$ getting their filthy mitts on 'em and removing them from my drive in the future, or doing ANYTHING on my systems that I haven't expressly asked them to do (that doesn't include the nasty little things deep, deep down in their EULAs).
-I can't afford anything Apple, be that hard or software. But then their driving force is 'style', been there, worn several t-shirts, can't be arsed with style anymore.
(Jeez, I must be a burn't out old raver, I only turn 30 this year, LOL)
-Oh yea, and I don't trust M$ and I think they're on to me with my 'China' version of XP ; ) (theres a number of things they wont let me have now-a-days, 'tis good to have a friend with a legal copy (note, non plural!).
Al
P.S.
I voted I dig OS.
But a few of those options applied to me..as you've just read : )
I'm sure a wanna-be-noobs perspective is in some way valid though.
-I want Linux because I believe in Open Source, the very ethos behind it sits perfectly with my values. I guess I'm a bit of a hippy at heart, and the very idea of a product (for want of a better word) being thrust into the publics hands to do with as they please, and allow it to evolve in line with THEIR needs rather than a companies marketing dept's wishes is a very big lure. There does seem to be a 'community' surrounding Linux, I don't know if it stems from Linux users being a minority (in the grand scale of things) coming together for solidarity or what, but one doesn't get that from any other groups really, and I like it.
-I don't trust M$ in any way. Their one driving force is $$$, not pushing for the most advanced, useful, accessable, secure options available, it simply comes down to profit with M$.
-I believe that M$, with windoze has managed to sheild its users from how a computer works, they call things different names in their GUI than what they themselves would use and understand amoungst themselves (for the most part anyway). Yes it makes computers VERY user-friendly...for simple things, as long as they can get programs to suit their needs. As far as your average window$ user goes if there isn't a program available in PC World for something, then it can't be done, end of. That is simply wrong in my book, and holding back development, and peoples use of computers.
-Security! (I don't really need to say more than that)
-Did I say I don't trust M$? I have a few mp3's, I don't want M$ getting their filthy mitts on 'em and removing them from my drive in the future, or doing ANYTHING on my systems that I haven't expressly asked them to do (that doesn't include the nasty little things deep, deep down in their EULAs).
-I can't afford anything Apple, be that hard or software. But then their driving force is 'style', been there, worn several t-shirts, can't be arsed with style anymore.
(Jeez, I must be a burn't out old raver, I only turn 30 this year, LOL)
-Oh yea, and I don't trust M$ and I think they're on to me with my 'China' version of XP ; ) (theres a number of things they wont let me have now-a-days, 'tis good to have a friend with a legal copy (note, non plural!).
Al
P.S.
I voted I dig OS.
But a few of those options applied to me..as you've just read : )
I just ran into linux about a month ago, and now i love it. I think i got it running to change the use of windows, although it has worked fine for me the last 2 and a half years. Mostly, linux makes me feel like a computer pro, cause it doesnt assume that you know or gives you all the nice gadgets windows does. And quite frankly, i love it so far. I just wish i knew more so i could make the best of the amazing tools it provides. I also want to play some games with linux, but know not where to start.
Suggestions are very welcome at this point. Have a nice day everyone.
Suggestions are very welcome at this point. Have a nice day everyone.
honestly what got me hooked was FREE and open source
im a cheapscate teen who doesnt have the money to dish out for software so i pirated it but i stopped after finding linux, i learned later of more perks mostly speed and customizability
i dislike windows because of how it is focused on for so many attacks, at school im constantly asked if i could help people fix their cd and like the last post cds with giant scratches
yeah dont forget speed
my piii 650 mhz is running same speed as my xp gaming box wich runs at 2.06 ghz
i really beleive in the whole opensource movement in fact about everything i use on computers is open source
im a cheapscate teen who doesnt have the money to dish out for software so i pirated it but i stopped after finding linux, i learned later of more perks mostly speed and customizability
i dislike windows because of how it is focused on for so many attacks, at school im constantly asked if i could help people fix their cd and like the last post cds with giant scratches
yeah dont forget speed
my piii 650 mhz is running same speed as my xp gaming box wich runs at 2.06 ghz
i really beleive in the whole opensource movement in fact about everything i use on computers is open source
The New and Shiny option.
After installing Gentoo on my system awhile ago I have not looked back. Once I went through some things, I was able to get a productive environment running flawlessly. After this, its all gravy.
Linux has re-kindled my love for computers. Using mainly Windows at work, I have a hard time fixing all the computers in the office, or using the computers in the office - then going home and doing the exact same thing. I have 3 computers at home, all of them running a variant of linux. I plan on getting one more cheap P3 for a windows print server, but I really do like Linux alot.
It is hard to setup, and hard to use, and hard to learn. But cripes - thats all the fun!
It's awesome setting up cron jobs and seeing the glsa's that matter to you logged to a file on the desktop! It's awesome having the ability to change the color of your taskbar to any color (aside from the four colors, grey, green, blue and silver) without having to add third party software.
And finally...but may be most important...I am using Linux at home for my skills. After putting my Linux experience on my resume, I have had alot of responses (no jobs yet, but thats due to diploma in Comp Eng Tech over Comp Sci Degree...damn universities always take 'graduates of the faculty'). Regardless, I think that any IT person (MS Certified/only included) would gain from using Linux at home/work. Hell - look at clutch. Back when I was visiting ntcompatible he was THEE man to talk to, and most likely still is....but read his post above. If he did not get into Linux, things would have been different.
After installing Gentoo on my system awhile ago I have not looked back. Once I went through some things, I was able to get a productive environment running flawlessly. After this, its all gravy.
Linux has re-kindled my love for computers. Using mainly Windows at work, I have a hard time fixing all the computers in the office, or using the computers in the office - then going home and doing the exact same thing. I have 3 computers at home, all of them running a variant of linux. I plan on getting one more cheap P3 for a windows print server, but I really do like Linux alot.
It is hard to setup, and hard to use, and hard to learn. But cripes - thats all the fun!
It's awesome setting up cron jobs and seeing the glsa's that matter to you logged to a file on the desktop! It's awesome having the ability to change the color of your taskbar to any color (aside from the four colors, grey, green, blue and silver) without having to add third party software.
And finally...but may be most important...I am using Linux at home for my skills. After putting my Linux experience on my resume, I have had alot of responses (no jobs yet, but thats due to diploma in Comp Eng Tech over Comp Sci Degree...damn universities always take 'graduates of the faculty'). Regardless, I think that any IT person (MS Certified/only included) would gain from using Linux at home/work. Hell - look at clutch. Back when I was visiting ntcompatible he was THEE man to talk to, and most likely still is....but read his post above. If he did not get into Linux, things would have been different.
open source software
i beleive
i beleive
Although i now question why am i running it, cause it so darn complicated and i have such a long to learn how to get around it smoothly. I guess having 6 years cruising with it gives you all the knowledge one needs to feel safe using it. Me, i can't give up windows yet, why? various reasons: 1. i still don't know how to addapt environmental variables for my needs of installing something, 2. i haven't found a way, close but not quite there, to burn CD's as swiftly as in windows, 3. a lot of the apps like dreamweaver and .NEt framework do not run under linux. So my hands are a bit tied up. But still my interest is to become a linux pro or expert i don't know, guru maybe. To accomplish this, i just have to use it every day and read this forum too every day.
Hi pandimic and welcome!
We use QuickBooks 2000Pro, and it works pretty much flawlessly. The only problem we have is when we print invoices with our station logo, it will only come out in black and white and not in color. Other than that everything is fine.
Since Win4lin and Quickbooks both take forever to get up and going, we just leave both running and minimize it when not in use.
We don't use the payroll sevice, but I would think it would work fine since IE also works perfectly with Win4Lin.
I'm hoping I can find a way to run Quickbooks straight from Wine so I will not have to even be dependant on Windows 98 from Linux. This is the only app that keeps us from being entirely Windows free.
We use QuickBooks 2000Pro, and it works pretty much flawlessly. The only problem we have is when we print invoices with our station logo, it will only come out in black and white and not in color. Other than that everything is fine.
Since Win4lin and Quickbooks both take forever to get up and going, we just leave both running and minimize it when not in use.
We don't use the payroll sevice, but I would think it would work fine since IE also works perfectly with Win4Lin.
I'm hoping I can find a way to run Quickbooks straight from Wine so I will not have to even be dependant on Windows 98 from Linux. This is the only app that keeps us from being entirely Windows free.
