yeah i dont understand these people that have to have the latest and greatest HW. Like the people that rushed out and got a P4 when it has been published everyplace that if you buy a p4 now you are pretty much f-ed in the long run because of how they are redisgning the chip and the chipset. Why did they get the P4?? Well either because it said Pentium or because its the latest and greatest. I mean who would want to buy a chip based on a slower ram architecture not to mention one that is about 5x as much as DIMM RAM, and when that chip won't work on any motherboards but the current P4 boards. Which are crap.

We have money so we spent it. Just because YOU don't have the money or don't want to spend it doesn't mean that we are wrong. This is what we like to do. Live with it.

Once you start you just cant stop. Very addictive habit. But I can say that I have built 2 computers just from the parts that get replaced in my computer every few months or so. This really works out well for my Wife and Son.
RattDawg

overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock. overclock.

I just never upgrade.
 
Once I build a computer, thats as fast as that computer will ever be. When I do build another computer, I only build when it is at least 2x as fast as the last. i.e. my last computer was a K6-2 350 & the one I am on now is a K7-700. I will wait for the AMD 1.4Ghz processor for my next system. I find this is a way that I don't spend as much money upgrading every time something new comes out.

Dos I have the money, and you take this a little to personally.
And I never said you were wrong. There must be a better way to spend money than allways trying to have the latest prossesor expecially if you can hardly notice the differance in speed between some of the chips. You must be able to see the logic in this.......cant you.

JMD wrote:
"Can anyone tell me why a person would pay all that extra money to up grade from a 933 prossessor to a 1 gig?"
 
Yes: its fun, its a hobby.
 
Can anyone tell me why a person would pay all that extra money to upgrade their cars with polystyrene spoilers? Or pay all that money to go to looking at people playing with a ball? Or pay all that money to collect stamps?
 
The one who dies with the most toys wins!
 
H.

i do agree with u JMD, but however there are ppl that who wants to do what they want, we can't really do much about it.
just try to mind your own business.
ok i've recently just build a new computer, a althon 1ghz which is now @1.1.
my last system was a celeron 466.
and 1 point that i can argue with u is, about the 933 and 1gig.
ok ppl can't tell the difference. but u can keep saying that to any processor.
like WHO CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 933 and 866????????
i doubt it, ok WHO CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 866 and 833??
and WHO CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE between 833 and 800??
heahe, u can just keep going and going.....
and also, to some ppl 1gig and 933 actually does have a difference, maybe there are ppl who really needs the power, like dual 1gig.
for applications which needs a lots of horse power...........

The post above is exactly what I was about to say.
Why stop at 933.
The 866 isn't much slower, the 833 not much slower than that....
With CPU's there is a cut-off point where upgrades in speed suddenly require a big price increase.
For example, here are some UK prices for Intel PIII CPU's:
 
800mhz - £155
866mhz - £167
933mhz - £190
1Ghz - £207
So, using this list the 866mhz is really the cut-off point, it's £23 to go from the 866 - 933.
However, in the grand scale of things, it's only £57 more to go from a 800mhz to a 1Ghz.
Probably worth the extra initial investment.

In my case, I usually end up having to replace something for one reason or another.
 
Then I get into the situation of buying cheap indentical replacement, or spending a few bucks more and replacing and upgrading?
 
I had to buy a new motheboard for my intel system
 
thought about it..
 
for 40 bucks more, if I sold my PIII800eb@950, I could buy an Asus A7V133 and 1.1 ghz Tbird(now at 1.31)
 
I did notice a bit of a difference.
 
I upgraded to 512mb RAM just cause I wanted a bit more, and I was getting it at a good price
 
noticed a pretty good difference
 
I don't upgrade to brand new unnecessary things very often.
 
I don't have need to go out and buy a GF2 Ultra...my GTS is workign great.
 
But if a card were to fail, I'd probably go get it if I could afford the extra price.
 
 
 
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My PC is warm. I think our fire wall is acting up.
 
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i like eddie's response. i like oc'ing... it's fun. just put a big damned hsf on everything and turn it up. i got so many fans in this thing that i have tie it down to keep it from flying away. i even got a mini hsf on the adaptec scsi chip
too much fun man, and it's cheaper than buying another processor
(piii700@900)

Think I'll get a 1.5 gigahertz P4 -- and UNDERCLOCK it. Just to prove how laid-back I am!

March 15th eh? Cool, we are posting into the future...
 
 
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Regards,
 
clutch

Holy fast computers Batman!!
 
Damn Ronin, dual 850's?? Is it an IIS?
 
Is it possible to o/c 2 processors on the same board?
 
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Athlon 700 @ 770
Epox 7kxa
256Mb PC133
Hercules Prophet 32Mb DDR
Sound Blaster X-Gamer
Pioneer 16x DVD
HP 9100i CD-RW
2-30gig 7200RPM WD HD
ViewSonic PF790 19"
Win98SE
Full Tower

Overclocking a dualie system is no problem and as long and the board supports it and the chips support it. I have a friend who's overclocking 2 733/133's to 1047 on a dual via board.
 
As far as my box goes, it's my home computer and no I'm not running IIS on it, that's what Linux is for.
 
hehe
 
...

Hey Ronin. I've done some playing around
 
NECESSARY EVIL
--Reaper Computer Systems Custom Built #4--
<Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP2beta, IE5.5 SP1, DX8a>
AMD Athlon 1.11@1.34(10x134 with an unlocked L1) blue-core "Thunderbird-b" (ran hot at 1466, but was stable)
Alpha PEP66T & Delta Black Label 60mm fan
Asus A7V133 (VIA KT133a) with onboard RAID-O
512MB PC133 SDRAM (2x256 Mushkin Rev2 CAS 2:2:2 5t/7t STRONG @ 133mhz)
SuperMicro 760A Full Tower(Modded for more fans and painted Rustoleum Hammered Black)
SP301-RA 300W Athlon Approved Redundant Cooling Power Supply (Enermax 450W on the way)
IBM 75GXP 15GB UDMA/100 7200RPM & MAXTOR Diamand Max 45GB UDMA/100 7200 RPM hdds
Promise Ultra 100 Controller card
9 80mm,3 92mm, 2 120mm High Output fans, 1 40mm(GF2), and 1 60mm(DBL) fans spewing out about 1100 CFM
OEM GeForce2 GTS(OCed 250/400) on Detonator 7.52
Creative Labs SB Live! X-Gamer
Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro
RAZER Boomslang 2000
Everglide Razer Giganta (for LAN parties only)
Trendware TE100S4PCI 10/100 4 port Switch/Ethernet Adapter
Iomega 8x4x32 CD-RW
Pioneer 6x DVD/ 32x CD-ROM
Creative 52x CD-ROM
Teac Floppy(black)
Dell Ultrascan 1000 17" Trinitron Monitor(1600x1200@60hz)
 
 
LANBOX-2
--Reaper Computer Systems Custom Built #7--
<Windows 2000 Professional SP2 DX8a>
Intel 633@800 CeleronII(cbo)
Thermaltake Golden Orb
Asus CUSL2 (intel 815e) motherboard BIOS 1006
288MB PC100 SDRAM(1x128 PNY,1x128 {unkown}ECC, 1x32 NEC)RAM
generic wave midtower
Deer 300W Athlon Approved Power Supply
Maxtor DiamondMax 30gb UDMA 66 7200rpm HDD
Epox USB66 UDMA 66 controller/4 port USB hub
3x80mm, 5x40 fans(about 180CFM)
Creative Labs Graphics Blaster Annhilator Pro GeForce256 DDR on Detonator 7.52
Diamond S70 soundcard(ESS MaestroII)
Logitech Itouch Pro Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard
Logitech Wheelmouse Optical
Everglide Half-Life Giganta(for LAN parties only)
D-Link DFE-530TX+ 10/100 Ethernet Adapter
Lucent 56k WinModem
Memorex 4x2x24 CD-RW
Toshiba 12x CD-ROM
generic floppy
Compaq V720 17" (1280x1024@60) Monitor
 
 
--External parts in use by all computers--
Hewlett Packard 660CSE Printer
Netgear RT314 4 port Router(with switching functions)
Allied Telesyn FH716 16 port dual speed ethernet hub
D-Link 4 port USB hub
Logitech Soundman G1 Powered Speakers & AIWA HPX222 Headphones
Everglide mousepad (blue complimentary LAP)
 
I've got more parts, but I'm tyring to sell them off and buy a dual P2 system
 
 
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[This message has been edited by INFERNO2000 (edited 10 March 2001).]

Hmmm it seems as the original post got lost a little bit...
 
It does seem strange to me that someone would buy a ~$250 CPU, then turn around a few weeks later and replace it with a new slightly faster ~$300 CPU... When I worked in a custom PC shop this used to happen ALL the time... People would buy a $2500 PC, the CPU costing $500-$600, Intel would release a slightly faster CPU, and these people would come back wanting to upgrade to a $800 CPU for a gain for something like 50-100mhz... I'm one those who likes the fastest... (insert Tim Allen SFX) Everytime I upgrade my PC I have several others that get the hand-me-downs. I don't think JMD was talking about people who will use both CPU's, just the weird ones who upgrade and keep their old CPU as paper weight.
 
 
~NT Worker

Hey, I recycle my CPU's /MoBo's. That's how I ended up an even happier man with a a LAN.
 
But honestly, it is not because it is necessary or that it makes sence, it is that it is a hobby, I like tinkering with the stuff. Isn't that a reason good enough?
 
H.

How do waste money you gain more than you think

same here...I do my best to recycle parts...that's how I get so many computers in my LAN
 
If I get a new part, it goes in the appropriate system, and the part it's replacing either gets put in another system, or sold to pay for the new part(usually the later).
 
 
but I am trying to get rid of a couple systems...the low end ones..
 
I'm wasting my money on a hobby that makes my life more enjoyable
 
some people it's cars, others it's computers.